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  • MMA_scientist
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 9857

    Bellator 41

    This is the only card this week, so I figured we might as well get down to business, so we are ready when the lines break:

    Joe Warren vs. Marcos Galvao
    Zach Makovsky vs. Chad Robichaux

    Bellator Featherweight Tournament Seminfinals
    Patricio Freire vs. Wilson Reis
    Kenny Foster vs. Daniel Straus

    Tony Johnson Jr. vs. TBA



    Warren vs. Galvao: wrestler vs bjj matchup. Galvao has done pretty well until he steps up in competition... still he is not a pushover by any means. Warren has shown that he can fend off submissions pretty well, even though he gets in trouble a lot. Still, Galvao is a bjj guy that can't submit anyone... he has never subbed anyone in MMA. And if he is hoping to engage in a positional battle with Warren, he is going to lose. Also Galvao's hands and chin are not great. Warren might also finally have a fight where he will try to keep it standing. Warren gets rocked in every fight, but manages to hang in there. Warren should win this unless he gets surprised on his feet or taken down repeatedly, which is doubtful. But his line will most likely be at least -300, probably more. Still might be bettable though...

    Makovski v. Robichaux: Another wrestler vs. bjj matchup. Robichaux is 11-0 with 10 submissions, BUT a closer look at his record gives a better picture. In my opinion, he really only has 2 fights, his 2 most recent ones. He started fighting in 1999, then fought up until 2005 and then took like 4 years off. His 2 most recent opponents have records of 6-4 and 10-5. He took one of them to a split decision. Prior to that, his opponents had a combined record of 3-18... that's right 3 wins total. None of them had more than 4 fights. Aside from the competition issue, Makovski is going to be very difficult to submit. He knows what he is doing on the mat and he has short limbs. I will be on Makovski for sure unless his line is just stupid.

    Patricio Freire vs. Wilson Reis: They fought once before, Pitbull won. I actually bet on Reis last time at -150. It was close though. I think Reis has a slightly better ground game, but Pitbull has better takedowns and takedown defense. Pitbull also has better striking. Pitbull also looks like he has gone to work on his wrestling and is younger and has more upside. Still, it was close last time and Pitbull has a lot of hype right now. I expect the value to be on Reis. Pitbull should not be more than -160 IMO. I think Pitbull will win, but most likely he will be higher than that. I will probably just watch this one.

    Kenny Foster vs. Daniel Straus: I don't know what to think about this one. I have seen Straus several times. He is tough has decent hands and pretty good wrestling. Foster just mad dogged Larkin though (and cost me 5u in the process). Larkin is one of the most accomplished wrestlers in all of MMA... just a beast of a wrestler. Foster, who did not come from a wrestling base, stuffed him several times and then subbed him. I think the line will be close to even, I am leaning Foster, but probably won't bet here because I haven't seen Foster enough.


    Tony Johnson Jr. vs. TBA: Johnson is a huge guy with power and very good wrestling. In his last fight, they gave him Cormier, who is probably one of only a handful of guys that can beat him. Unless they bring a beast in on short notice, Johnson is going to win. Johnson is a big bad black mothertrucker.
    2012: +19.33
    2012 Parlay project: +16.5u
  • Vandelay
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1934

    #2
    Couple things. I think the freire line might be higher than that simply because freire has beaten him before and it was recent. However, Reis looked damn good in his last fight so i'm sure he will be the bet in this one.

    Warren has never impressed me. His wrestling has not transitioned to mma as well as it should have. He is slow and lacks sub defense, but he does have some power and an awesome chin. His line will probably be way to high even though hes facing an inferior opponent. I had a bet on Soto in his last fight and still cant believe he came back from that brutal beat down in rd 1.

    Tony Johnson Jr. is a pretty good prospect and I hope we get a line on his fight. Doubtful though.

    Never seen Makovski or Robichaux, but it seems Makovski can be submitted. He will be alot taller than Robichaux tho so he should dictate where he wants the fight to be. Your description of the fight makes it enticing to bet so i'll have to look up video on both of them.

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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      #3
      Originally posted by Vandelay
      Couple things. I think the freire line might be higher than that simply because freire has beaten him before and it was recent. However, Reis looked damn good in his last fight so i'm sure he will be the bet in this one.
      Yeah, that is what I was trying to say. Pitbull SHOULD be -150 or so IMO, but he will actually be more than that... so the value goes to Reis (even though I think Pitbull will win).

      Originally posted by Vandelay
      Warren has never impressed me. His wrestling has not transitioned to mma as well as it should have. He is slow and lacks sub defense, but he does have some power and an awesome chin. His line will probably be way to high even though hes facing an inferior opponent. I had a bet on Soto in his last fight and still cant believe he came back from that brutal beat down in rd 1.
      Agree, Warren is not that great. He does have some heart and chin though. I think Pitbull will beat him in the rematch (actually, I think he won last time). But I disagree his wrestling has not transferred. He has basically won all of his fights except Soto by just taking guys down and laying in the guard. He doesn't do much damage but he does get that takedown pretty much whenever he wants it.


      Originally posted by Vandelay
      Never seen Makovski or Robichaux, but it seems Makovski can be submitted. He will be alot taller than Robichaux tho so he should dictate where he wants the fight to be. Your description of the fight makes it enticing to bet so i'll have to look up video on both of them.
      There is always the chance that he gets subbed by Robichaux... you are right, Makovski has been subbed before. Once by Reis, who is a very high level bjj practitioner, so you can't hold that against him. And I should mention that West had him tangled up a few times. Robichaux is a black belt in bjj and looks like he just runs and trains out of a Gracie Barra gym. Still, he might surprise Makovski. Let me watch some of his footage. I might back out of that one.
      Last edited by MMA_scientist; 04-11-2011, 11:21 AM.
      2012: +19.33
      2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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      • MMA_scientist
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 9857

        #4
        Sherdog scored Robocheaux's last fight for the other guy fwiw. There isn't much out there on him and every video is of him fighting a can. His takedowns look good, but again, look at the competition. His standup looks pretty rudimentary. I think Makovski will win a decision, but might have to lower my line a bit... we will see where he opens.
        2012: +19.33
        2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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        • Vandelay
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1934

          #5
          Warren has been stuffed by both soto and freire in the first rounds of their fights. He is much more successful in the clinch than he is shooting a double or single. He also seems to get in trouble on the ground alot. I just think he is overated by many and this causes his lines to be overpriced

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          • Vandelay
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1934

            #6
            Jognson is fighting Carlos Flores (4-0)

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            • MMA_scientist
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 9857

              #7


              Going to get Reis. I think Pitbull wins, but that line is ridiculous.
              2012: +19.33
              2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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              • MMA_scientist
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 9857

                #8
                2u on Makovski @ -255

                I thin Warren's line will drop... thinking about taking that too.
                2012: +19.33
                2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                • Thewisemann
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1989

                  #9
                  Reid .2u to win.5u

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                  • SPX
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 23875

                    #10
                    Following Scientist:

                    3u on Makovski
                    I heart cock

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                    • MMA_scientist
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9857

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SPX
                      Following Scientist:

                      3u on Makovski
                      Don't curse me! Seriously, I was thinking about arbing that... Robichaux struggled against DeLeon in SF though, and he will probably have to win the fight from his back. So I don't see it happening, but I guess I am questioning it because Makovski has never faced a bjj bb (aside from Reis and we saw how that worked out), and I have a hex that follows me any time I betray jj.

                      Warren's line dropped out of bettable range before I had a chance to take it. Oh well.
                      Last edited by MMA_scientist; 04-13-2011, 03:27 PM.
                      2012: +19.33
                      2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                      • SPX
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 23875

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                        Don't curse me! Seriously, I was thinking about arbing that... Robichaux struggled against DeLeon in SF though, and he will probably have to win the fight from his back. So I don't see it happening, but I guess I am questioning it because Makovski has never faced a bjj bb (aside from Reis and we saw how that worked out), and I have a hex that follows me any time I betray jj.
                        Don't fuck me over, Scientist.

                        DO. NOT.
                        I heart cock

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                        • Thewisemann
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 1989

                          #13
                          i mean Reis
                          Originally posted by Thewisemann
                          Reid .2u to win.5u

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                          • MMA_scientist
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 9857

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SPX
                            Don't fuck me over, Scientist.

                            DO. NOT.
                            I wish I would have done the Warren/Makovski parlay now. I don't see how Galvao is going to beat him... he can't sub anyone and Warren has a takedown whenever he wants it. I am thinking about adding a bet on Warren- but his line. I can arb the Mak bet out now, but I am not going to arb out and then pay a steeper price just so I can do the parlay- a parlay would be 3u to win 2u. I have 3 to win 1.17u... I guess I could just drop 4.17 on Warren (-430) to win .96u, that would give me a net of 2.13u... but I would have more at risk. But I would also have a hedge in case one of them loses. what to do...



                            The problem is that
                            2012: +19.33
                            2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                            • SPX
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 23875

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                              I wish I would have done the Warren/Makovski parlay now. I don't see how Galvao is going to beat him... he can't sub anyone and Warren has a takedown whenever he wants it. I am thinking about adding a bet on Warren- but his line. I can arb the Mak bet out now, but I am not going to arb out and then pay a steeper price just so I can do the parlay- a parlay would be 3u to win 2u. I have 3 to win 1.17u... I guess I could just drop 4.17 on Warren (-430) to win .96u, that would give me a net of 2.13u... but I would have more at risk. But I would also have a hedge in case one of them loses. what to do...



                              The problem is that
                              Warren's line is pretty fucking high and the only time I bet on him (against Soto) I remember feeling that I was kind of lucky I had won.

                              You have any thoughts on the Straus fight? I know nothing about his opponent.
                              I heart cock

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