BJ Penn Vs Nick Diaz - UFC 137

[SPX]

Do any of us really know what BJ does in training, though?

[Mr. IWS]

Your telling me someone who should be running multiple miles a day, doing sprints, swimming, etc. cant last 15-25 minutes in a cage every 3 or 4 months. I'm sorry but any athlete should be able to condition themselves to last that long. Now maybe their are other factors such as anxiety or improper breathing patterns or something, but theres no reason a professional athlete who gets paid to fight can't be conditioned. Conditioning isn't something thats fun, it's something that is required to succeed in a sport.

100000000000% agree

[Mr. IWS]

Do any of us really know what BJ does in training, though?

I know that nigga picks up boulders and runs under water with Justin McCully.

Like a boss

[Vandelay]

Looks like a good photoshop to me.

[MMA_scientist]

So when exactly was "prime LW BJ"?

Basically every fight he had at LW. except Edgar. Even now, I think only Edgar could beat him @ LW, but many people think BJ won the first fight. Re: BJ's cardio, he was clearly superior in Rd 1, no one could have scored that for Diaz. But in Rd 2, did he just get less skilled? Did his takedowns just suddenly become sloppy dives? He gassed out. As to your close fight thing, he stayed with Fitch for 2 rounds before wilting... he had the fight won, all he had to do is not get totally pounded for 5 minutes and give up a 10-8... he just didn't have it left in the tank, he wasn't mentally broken after clearly winning 2 rounds.

I don't care about Condit's feelings either though, just think that DFW is a douche.

[MMA_scientist]

Your telling me someone who should be running multiple miles a day, doing sprints, swimming, etc. cant last 15-25 minutes in a cage every 3 or 4 months. I'm sorry but any athlete should be able to condition themselves to last that long.

I will say that it is more tiring than you would think by watching. You see college wrestlers gassing out badly in 6 minute matches. They train all the time with a full time coach and many of them still gas out in what is equivalent to 1 round of MMA. That said, BJ can definitely do better, he has shown better cardio in the past... he is just lazy and doesn't work it as hard as he should. Diaz works hard and looks like he probably has a physiological advantage (lots of red muscle fibers, not so many white, etc.)

[poopoo333]

It seems to work for Diaz, but triathlon type training won't always carry over for fighters to have superior cardio in a fight. You have guys who can run 10 miles without a problem come into a BJJ class and get exhausted two minutes into rolling. Obviously BJ can be way better conditioned, but to come to the conclusion that anybody that trains hard for 12 weeks is going to be a "cardio machine" is just silly.

[SPX]

I remember when I went through basic training that I ran lots of miles and then marched a lot more than I ran. I won't say that I trained as hard as an MMA fighter, but it was a fuckload of exercise, and when it was over with I was definitely in BETTER shape but I have little doubt that even then I probably would be pretty damn tired even after one active MMA round, even at that point in my life.

I've never had great cardio, though. Ever. So I definitely think that some people are just naturally more physically inclined toward having good cardio, just like some people are more naturally inclined toward building muscle and having superior strength.

[SPX]

That said, BJ can definitely do better, he has shown better cardio in the past... he is just lazy and doesn't work it as hard as he should.

It has something to do with weltwerweight. Maybe he doesn't train as hard so that he can maintain enough mass for the division. Or maybe the extra mass just using up too many resources. I don't know.

[SPX]

But in Rd 2, did he just get less skilled? Did his takedowns just suddenly become sloppy dives?

Well he didn't look gassed when he was going back to his stool. So why would he be gassed after a minute's rest?

Obviously he DID gas out, at least eventually. But he looked like a different fighter from the end of the first round to the beginning of the second.

[poopoo333]

The full payouts included:

Nick Diaz: $200,000 (no win bonus)
def. B.J. Penn: $150,000

Cheick Kongo: $140,000 (includes $70,000 win bonus)
def. Matt Mitrione: $10,000

Roy Nelson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)
def. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic: $75,000

Scott Jorgensen: $33,000 (includes $16,500 win bonus)
def. Jeff Curran: $8,000

Hatsu Hioki: $30,000 (includes $15,000 win bonus)
def. George Roop: $8,000

Donald Cerrone: $54,000 (includes $27,000 win bonus)
def. Dennis Siver: $27,000

Bart Palaszewski: $28,500 (includes $10,000 win bonus)*
def. Tyson Griffin: $25,500*

Brandon Vera: $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus)
def. Eliot Marshall: $15,000

Ramsey Nijem: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
def. Danny Downes: $4,000

Francis Carmont: $12,000 (includes $6,000 win bonus)
def. Chris Camozzi: $8,000

Clifford Starks: $12,000 (includes $6,000 win bonus)
def. Dustin Jacoby: $6,000

* - Although not recognized on the official pay sheet, Griffin was fined $8,500 for missing weight for the fight, and contracts were reworked with those amounts. That money was issued to Palaszewski, an NSAC official confirmed with MMAjunkie.com. Otherwise, Griffin would have made $34,000 and Palaszewski would have made $20,000.

[SPX]

I'm always surprised at how little Nelson is making. I know he went through TUF and all but I'm still surprised he didn't have a better deal negotiated.

[poopoo333]

This is hilarious:

Brandon Vera: $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus)

[Mr. IWS]

This is hilarious:

Brandon Vera: $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus)

LOL, thats worse then when Him and Lloyd Irvin got robbed.

[SPX]

BOL at Brandon Vera.

BTW, he said in an interview the other day that he thinks he can beat Jon Jones.