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  • Luke
    10 year vet
    • Oct 2006
    • 30060

    #121
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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      #122
      Wand is shot, but Le sucks too. New Wand is like a neutered dog, and Le has been fighting B level fighters. Scott Smith is terrible. Hard fight to call... I think either guy could win. Probably a close to even line.
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      • Mr. IWS
        215 Hustler
        • Sep 2006
        • 99906

        #123
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        • sbjj
          Senior Member
          • May 2010
          • 1418

          #124
          Originally posted by Luke
          Who's a whole lot of people...........sherdogers?
          No, just people that disagree with your position. You know, sometimes it happens.

          If Wand and Smith fought right now, Smith might just KO him in the first 2 minutes of the fight. While Le would most likely beat his ass.

          I hope the Wand love is reflected in the price, but I doubt it.

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          • zY|
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 8385

            #125
            Originally posted by sbjj
            No, just people that disagree with your position. You know, sometimes it happens.

            If Wand and Smith fought right now, Smith might just KO him in the first 2 minutes of the fight. While Le would most likely beat his ass.

            I hope the Wand love is reflected in the price, but I doubt it.
            I agree. I think Scott Smith beats Michael Bisping too.
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            • Luke
              10 year vet
              • Oct 2006
              • 30060

              #126
              Scott Smith beat Wand................is this real life?
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              • Ludo
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 4931

                #127
                I think it's a little premature to start saying Scott Smith beats Wanderlei. Let's not forget Silva cracked the hell out of Leben just before that collar tie, and quite a few fighters would have gone down from a shot like that. But because it was Leben he went all Mark Hunt on him. Smith would fold under that kind of treatment just like Bisping did, except Smith has less than a third of Bispings footwork and head movement. I'm sorry but Le's entire MMA Career has been a hype job. A fight with Vitor would have been life threatening, and a fight with Wanderlei is hit or miss depending on whether he can set up a flush shot to turn out the lights. But in no way is there any kind of justification to have Le anything worse than -125.
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                • SPX
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 23875

                  #128
                  Originally posted by LudoCain
                  I'm sorry but Le's entire MMA Career has been a hype job.
                  He for damn sure hasn't fought anyone, I'll say that. But I feel that just like Cormier's wrestling background gives him instant MMA relevance, Cung Le's kickboxing background does the same for him. I mean, the dude went 17-0 and held multiple ISKA titles along the way. ISKA is basically like the UFC when it comes to Kickboxing in the United States, especially at the time when Cung was in his prime. He is not like some of these other "kickboxing champs" that we often see get labeled as such. He is a very competent and dangerous striker and is fully prepared for any such affairs in MMA.
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                  • zY|
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 8385

                    #129
                    He's also 40 years old and is more concerned with acting and eating cookies and ice cream than MMA.
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                    • SPX
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 23875

                      #130
                      Well Wand is old, too. REALLY old in fight years.
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                      • zY|
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 8385

                        #131
                        True.

                        But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

                        And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.
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                        • Luke
                          10 year vet
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30060

                          #132
                          Originally posted by zY|
                          True.

                          But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

                          And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.
                          Scott Smith would beat Bisping
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                          • SPX
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 23875

                            #133
                            Originally posted by zY|
                            True.

                            But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

                            And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.

                            Well the Cormier comparison was not exact, but my point was just that he is awesome at something that is very relevant in MMA.

                            And I'm not saying Wand is not still good. The Bisping win was legit. He can still fight, but even beyond the chin issue, he just doesn't have the speed and power that he used to. All I'm saying is that I think it's a bad style matchup because, even at 40, I think Cung might be too fast and too technical. Wand has never been technical and used to get by on just pure aggression and knocking dudes the fuck out. I just have doubts about him being able to brawl his way to a win here.
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                            • zY|
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 8385

                              #134
                              Originally posted by Luke
                              Scott Smith would beat Bisping
                              10 times out of 10
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                              • SPX
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 23875

                                #135
                                Originally posted by zY|
                                10 times out of 10
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