Strikeforce Semi Finals of HW GP

[Luke]

You two better be right or you're both banned

[Vandelay]

Mo will end up being around -175 in my opinion

[poopoo333]

You guys think the line will go up or down from the current line of +115?

I think it will get better because I think money will come in on Mo. But that's just my opinion, I might be wong, I mean wrong.

[Luke]

I do not see how King Mo wins this fight ,going to be on Gracie for a very large play .


You guys think the line will go up or down from the current line of +115?

[poopoo333]

Healy replaces Thomson, meets Blanco at "Strikeforce Grand Prix: Barnett vs. Kharitonov"

[MMA_scientist]

In terms of how they match up on the ground, how would you compare Roger vs. Mo, to Maia vs. Munoz?

Roger is better than Maia and Munoz is better than Mo (not at take downs, but a better grappler IMO).

But with the Maia fight, there was no extended time on the ground that I recall. I recall Maia being in guard for a few seconds here and there, he took no damage and as he started to threaten a sweep, Munoz wisely backed out. The other differences are that Roger is more of a top player and Maia is more of a guard player. And the sweeping styles are different too. Roger will probably look to sweep while keeping his guard mostly closed, using a hip bump or flower sweep. Maia plays a more "wrestler" type sweep game- underhook half guard/single leg style and looks for submissions from bottom. It is hard to compare, Maia and Roger have very different styles, both are effective, but they are really very different grapplers.

In terms of overall skill, obviously Roger is better than Maia. It is arguable who is better between Munoz and Mo, but it is clear that Munoz trains bjj a lot. Mo could conceivably survive in Roger's guard if Roger is tired, but I very seriously doubt he will be landing any shots down there and I promise you he will not pass. Mo may punch him out on the feet... but if it down on the ground, his best scenario is just hold still and stalling, he won't accomplish anything down there. He may be able to stay on top though. Roger is not a frenetic grappler like Jacare or some of these other guys. He doesn't start throwing stuff up immediately, it is wait, wait, set up, off balance, inch out, get you to react... then he takes a dominant position and you don't out. It may not work that well in a 5 minute round to be honest.

[Svino]

Mo doesn't want to go to the mat here unless he is stupid (I think he might be). Roger will sweep him within a few seconds IMO.

In terms of how they match up on the ground, how would you compare Roger vs. Mo, to Maia vs. Munoz?

[poopoo333]

[poopoo333]

I didn't realize Palacio was an olympic wrestler. I will have to look at that a little more now, I was reading around that the Feijao fight was supposed to be a squash match.

[MMA_scientist]

Who are u taking in that one scientist?

Roger. But I admit that I am not level headed here. If I were looking at it clearly, I would have to admit that Roger is going to have a lot of trouble getting Mo down. Roger's boxing is not good, he is slow and doesn't have a lot of power. BUt he has a nifty little trick he does from the MT clinch, where you basically have to choose between getting tripped or kneed in the face.

Mo doesn't want to go to the mat here unless he is stupid (I think he might be). Roger will sweep him within a few seconds IMO.

[mike]

yeah Jacara is way better in grappling but his chin is weak. maybe i'm just chicken out when it comes to guys without a solid chin.

[poopoo333]

I think Jacare is just on another level grappling. I think he should be able to get Rockhold down...Rockhold is a relatively new fighter, hasn't fought in well over a year, and is fighting a top 10 middleweight for a championship, so he is gonna have a lot of pressure that he might not be able to deal with well. I will probably parlay Jacare with Kyle or Feijao. Or all three.

[mike]

pp, you think jacara is a lock? unless he can take Rockhold down with ease, he might have problem standing with Rockhold. Rockhold is tall and has power. Jacara, from what i remember, is explosive with his takedown but I havent seen much of him.

[poopoo333]

Ok this card needs to start my comeback...August wiped my profits out for the year and then some.

[Vandelay]

Who are u taking in that one scientist?