UFC 141 Ubereem vs Brock 12/30

[MMA_scientist]

It's one of those fights that's 50/50 only because there are too many factors to know how it's going to go. But on fight night one guy or the other may very well dominate.

Exactly. Either Brock is going to be able to get him down right away or he isn't. I will say that Overeem is more equipped to handle Brock's game than Brock is to handle Overeem's game. If they stand up, Brock is dead. If they go down, Overeem might be able to survive for a while or even pull off a submission (I don't think so personally though). I think if Brock can get him down and keep him there, he will hamburger his face pretty good. I also expect Overeem to tire before Brock. I don't like Brock at all, but I can admit that he has shown pretty impressive cardio and heart. And I honestly think he could probably be ADCC champ if he would focus on submission defense for a while.

[SPX]

I thought it was 50/50... but I am really starting to lean Brock.

It's one of those fights that's 50/50 only because there are too many factors to know how it's going to go. But on fight night one guy or the other may very well dominate.

[poopoo333]

+155 @ Bodog looks nice

[MMA_scientist]

That might be a way to go. I doubt Overeem can KO him cold though. I am probably going to make a play on Brock as long as he stays in + odds

[poopoo333]

Bet on Brock and hedge with Ubereem KO of the night

[MMA_scientist]

I thought it was 50/50... but I am really starting to lean Brock.

[poopoo333]

Yeah

Me too. Did you change your mind on this fight? I thought you liked Overeem when it was first announced

[Ludo]

Yeah

Now girls jumping on trampolines!

[Luke]

I take it you think he can?

Yeah

[poopoo333]

There shouldnt be any question on whether Brock can get Reem down or not.

I take it you think he can?

[Ludo]

Well Cain has never really shown any power before then, and he did survive the Carwin shot. Mir has shown just as much power as Cain- and really Randy has dropped HW's before too and so has Herring.

That combo Cain put on Minotauro was devastating. Randy dropped Tim Sylvia who wasn't expecting a punch to open up. Mir has shown just as much power as cain when he's 280lbs fighting Cheick Kongo. But Mir has never shown Carwin/Cain type power other than that shot on Kongo which he landed with his eyes closed. This is still a new breed of animal for Brock.

[MMA_scientist]

Well Cain has never really shown any power before then, and he did survive the Carwin shot. Mir has shown just as much power as Cain- and really Randy has dropped HW's before too and so has Herring.

[Ludo]

I mean, he has defeated guys that can hit before. I think it is a little bit of an overreaction.

I don't think it is really. Who has he fought that can hit as hard as Cain or Carwin? Mir has shown the ability to hit hard at times but never quite so devastatingly as Carwin. Aside from Mir you have Herring who had the takedown defense of Kyle Maynard that night. I would say Overeem hits just as hard if not harder than both Cain and Carwin, he will also be looking to land knee's which Brock has never had to deal with like this before. Barry is going to be helpful to a degree in dealing with the technique level itself but there's no accounting for Overeems raw power behind everything. The guy headhunts quite a bit, and he loves to load up.

[Luke]

There shouldnt be any question on whether Brock can get Reem down or not.

[MMA_scientist]

I mean, he has defeated guys that can hit before. I think it is a little bit of an overreaction.