UFC 143

[SPX]

FWIW Palhares and Falcao grew up poor, while Maia and Nog are playboys.

I guess what I take from that is that wealth and education truly are civilizing forces. . .

[edman5555]

I guess helio could just choke him out.

[MMA_scientist]

The only specific story he told me was Helio killed a guy on a bus for some small and petty reason. Don't know if any of it was true or not, but Mansur was just saying it with no judgement, like that is the way it is.

[edman5555]

Keep the details coming.

[MMA_scientist]

That's what he said. Mansur is 73 years old, so this would have been way back. There is nothing to elbaborate, he just said that Helio used to kill people that pissed him off, like it was nothing. He said that is how the used ot solve their problems (with murder), then it went to breaking legs, now they just try to win with money. Mansur showed me his bullet wounds and stab wounds, he had been shot 10 times and stabbed several times. He was a member of the special police (like Paulo Thiago) for like 40 years. A real badass, but a super nice guy.

[edman5555]

Helio killed a bunch of people? Please elaborate. Any other stories?

[MMA_scientist]

^ Fransisco Mansur (on of Helio's original 7 blackbelts) was at my school a couple months back. He told me some scary strories about the way it is/was over there. I mean, I have heard some of these guys suggest solving interschool problems by breaking legs on purpose and stuff, and that seemed a little extreme. I have heard one of these guys point blank just say, "just kill him" all dead serious like it was an option. Apparently, Helio killed a bunch of people back when he was younger. I watched City of God a couple months back, and that is really what he described... they just don't value life very much in the poor areas and there are a lot of crazy bastards running around. It is like the inner city here, except with no law enforcement or very crooked law enforcement.

FWIW Palhares and Falcao grew up poor, while Maia and Nog are playboys.

[SPX]

^^^ Yeah, I guess so. All I know is that it frightens me. I mean, guys like Nog and Maia seem cool and normal, but guys like Palhares and Falcao seem, basically, like man-children. I wouldn't want to turn my back to them . . . wouldn't want to leave them alone with my kids.

[Ludo]

^^^ An intelligent reply.

Yes, pride, I guess that's it. Pride . . . poverty . . . Even here in the States, in ghetto culture, "respect" is a big deal. They'll kill you over that shit. Where as in more affluent areas if you disrespect someone they'll just go inside or, in extreme instances, call the police on you.

This was what I meant when I mentioned poverty. You don't hear about someone being bludgeoned to death by a group of upper class suburbanites. You don't hear about driveby shootings in middle to high income neighborhoods. I guess it's just that people outside of poverty grow up knowing they have options or something.

Whatever it is it means everything to these people.

All I know is that one thing I don't like are unpredictable people and people who get physically violent because shit doesn't go there way. Brazilians seem to be such people.

That much I can't explain really other than maybe thats just the culture. Kind of like how losing your shit on someone in japan looks bad on you, not them no matter what happened. To lose control of yourself in public to the japanese is a detriment to how they view you and not the target of your verbal attack.

Maybe it's a healthcare thing. Like that kid you went to school with who was batshit psycho and lost his temper for seemingly no reason, or was always in fights and incredibly uncaring for the well being of others. Maybe because of the poverty and whatnot there is no way to get help for these types of people in these "simpler" areas.

Maybe it's just riot mentality 24/7 over there.

[SPX]

^^^ An intelligent reply.

Yes, pride, I guess that's it. Pride . . . poverty . . . Even here in the States, in ghetto culture, "respect" is a big deal. They'll kill you over that shit. Where as in more affluent areas if you disrespect someone they'll just go inside or, in extreme instances, call the police on you.

All I know is that one thing I don't like are unpredictable people and people who get physically violent because shit doesn't go there way. Brazilians seem to be such people.

[Ludo]

I just said it's rare. Most fighters tap.

To be honest, it's pretty retarded to NOT tap. Brazilians are crazy. They let their shit get broken instead of take a loss in a sport (and then take a loss anyway after the ref realizes their shit is broken). They're also willing to take someone's life--as Scientist alluded to in the OT--because someone has a dude in a losing position on the cover of a taekwondo book.

Those motherfucker's honestly scare me.

Well they don't have much. Pride tends to be a large portion of the things people who don't have much count when listing things they do have. I do agree it's stupid but it does exist for some of these guys. They come in with chips on their shoulders and constantly act like they have something to prove, before you know it they won't be smart about things. This could also fall into something we were talking about a few weeks ago about Palhares being possibly mentally handicapped to a degree. Maybe some of these guys aren't quite "with it" upstairs, you know?

[SPX]

I just said it's rare. Most fighters tap.

To be honest, it's pretty retarded to NOT tap. Brazilians are crazy. They let their shit get broken instead of take a loss in a sport (and then take a loss anyway after the ref realizes their shit is broken). They're also willing to take someone's life--as Scientist alluded to in the OT--because someone has a dude in a losing position on the cover of a taekwondo book.

Those motherfucker's honestly scare me.

[Ludo]

Maybe so. It's just extremely rare. Almost everyone taps.

[SPX]

Maybe so. It's just extremely rare. Almost everyone taps.

[Ludo]

Even Nog tapped when shit got too hot.

But maybe you're right. Who knows. At the end of the day I don't imagine it matters much considering that tap or not when shit gets broken or a nigga goes unconscious, they lose.

Minotauro didn't tap until the humerus gave way. And I get what your saying about it being a loss at the end of the day. But I just think some of these guys have that whole "jesus didn't tap" mentality where they'd rather get choked out and shit they're pants before waking up than just admitting they got caught in a sub.