UFC 143

[SPX]

Even Nog tapped when shit got too hot.

But maybe you're right. Who knows. At the end of the day I don't imagine it matters much considering that tap or not when shit gets broken or a nigga goes unconscious, they lose.

[Ludo]

Based on what? When has Nick been in a deep sub and gone out Samurai style?

He's never been subbed at all. In fact I don't remember him ever being caught deep in a sub to begin with. I just have a feeling he wouldn't tap. Alot of high level blackbelts just won't tap, and Cesar seems like the kind of guy who would teach that shit to people. Look at the gracies as a whole. Royce didn't tap when Matt Hughes about ripped his arm in half, Renzo didn't tap even after Sakuraba broke his shit and kept cranking before the ref saw it was busted and stopped things, neither did Royler when Sakuraba had him trapped(even though that should have been allowed to go on). Couple that with the whole legend of Kimura and him breaking Helio's arm back in the day. These guys don't tap to shit and it's a matter of pride. I doubt Nick would tap to be quite honest.

[Ludo]

Why would he need to flop for Roy....his striking is probably better than Roy's. Frankly I think he is most likely better than Roy in all areas. Bjj for sure. Conditioning for sure. Wrestling I dont know but suspect yes.

He wouldn't necessarily need to flop, but he might feel like he has to get it to the ground. Roy is definitely confident enough to take Werdum down and lay in his guard and even try to pass. I think Roy's top game is good enough to hold Fabricio off for a little while with consistency. Werdum is the better technical striker but I think he's totally terrified of using it unless he has no choice.

[SPX]

Based on what? When has Nick been in a deep sub and gone out Samurai style?

[Ludo]

I don't know. Daley dropped him. Kj noons almost out struck him. If Daley had more self control he probably would have won his fight. Look how close a striking battle kj had with Diaz two times. Masvidal walked through noons in the striking department. I think condits striking is very good. That said, I don't know who's striking is better. Both guys have great conditioning. Wrestling is up in the air. I think it's anyone's fight. Crazy to bet anything big.

I don't remember the second fight being terribly close striking wise. I had a bet on KJ at the time and I knew Diaz took it in the end. Nick pretty much did what he wanted to KJ in the last two rounds. We know Condit isn't subbing Nick, he might be able to score the TKO but I don't think Nick would tap even if he was caught deep. He'd go out Minotauro style and lose via TKO (Injury) that way, or ref stoppage from being unconscious.

[edman5555]

I dont know if Im way off base, but that is the best line I have seen on a fight in a while. I think Diaz is going to destroy Condit.

I don't know. Daley dropped him. Kj noons almost out struck him. If Daley had more self control he probably would have won his fight. Look how close a striking battle kj had with Diaz two times. Masvidal walked through noons in the striking department. I think condits striking is very good. That said, I don't know who's striking is better. Both guys have great conditioning. Wrestling is up in the air. I think it's anyone's fight. Crazy to bet anything big.

[edman5555]

Yeah, me too, but I don't know if he can get Roy down. I think Fabricio could probably outstrike him, but he has no confidence in his striking for some reason. If he resorts to butt flopping again, Roy just might oblige him. Werdum is probably the only guy at HW that could sub Roy off his back, but I wouldn't count on that. It is just another tough style matchup.

Why would he need to flop for Roy....his striking is probably better than Roy's. Frankly I think he is most likely better than Roy in all areas. Bjj for sure. Conditioning for sure. Wrestling I dont know but suspect yes.

[Mr. IWS]

what is the consensus on diaz/condit? I think diaz -130 is a gift

I dont know if Im way off base, but that is the best line I have seen on a fight in a while. I think Diaz is going to destroy Condit.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Condit TBH. I think Diaz's hype is out of control.

[edman5555]

That fight is tough to call.

[SPX]

I lean Diaz, but Condit has surprised me plenty of times in the past and has looked quite solid in his last few fights.

Why is Diaz such a gift?

[poopoo333]

what is the consensus on diaz/condit? I think diaz -130 is a gift

[SPX]

BOL

[Mr. IWS]

I cant fuckin believe that line for Diaz. Just put 100k on it.

[edman5555]

well werdum has confidence in his standup, he just knows he cant outstrike overeem.