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  • mike
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 541

    where can i that, scientist? if thats true, theres a great chance of an upset here

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    • Thewisemann
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 1989

      Thoughts on Jorgenson +200?

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      • Vandelay
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1934

        Ill be all over diaz/condit fotn at plus odds.

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        • Vandelay
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1934

          Ill probably throw a unit on Jorgensen. Dont really expect him to win, but he should be able to hold his own on the feet long enough to get a takedown and stall.

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          • MMA_scientist
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 9857

            Originally posted by mike
            where can i that, scientist? if thats true, theres a great chance of an upset here
            I read it in the comments on the UFC forum. I will try to find the link. Does not mean anything, some random poster on the internet saying his brother in law gave him his bjj bb in order to help him get in the UFC, and that he has shown blue belt level skills- maybe it is true, probably not. But apparently he was KO'd in the WCL as well, so his undefeated record is just a flat out lie.

            His opponent does submit people, so it makes me a little nervous. I might put him in a small parlay: Koscheck/Stephens/Riddle/Poirier is +220. I might do that.

            I am probably going to do Poirier for sure, but I am trying to find something else to go with it.
            2012: +19.33
            2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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            • poopoo333
              MMA *********
              • Jan 2010
              • 18302

              Originally posted by Vandelay
              Ill be all over diaz/condit fotn at plus odds.
              Yeah, it will probably be +200, +250 at best though

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              • poopoo333
                MMA *********
                • Jan 2010
                • 18302

                I was thinking..with the UFC expansion/more shows...there are going to be a lot of new fighters we know nothing about. We should probably start getting research done early on these fighters...as we might get good lines on them before they become a little more known.

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                • MMA_scientist
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 9857

                  Originally posted by Thewisemann
                  Thoughts on Jorgenson +200?
                  I think he can win. I like it.

                  Barao has been dominant lately, but he has also been in some pretty close scraps, but usually manages to get a submission (I think he was actually losing to Leone before he pulled off the sub). @+200, its worth a play IMO. He will probably lose, but he has a definite path to victory IMO.
                  2012: +19.33
                  2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                  • trotterz
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 450

                    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                    I read it in the comments on the UFC forum. I will try to find the link. Does not mean anything, some random poster on the internet saying his brother in law gave him his bjj bb in order to help him get in the UFC, and that he has shown blue belt level skills- maybe it is true, probably not. But apparently he was KO'd in the WCL as well, so his undefeated record is just a flat out lie.

                    His opponent does submit people, so it makes me a little nervous. I might put him in a small parlay: Koscheck/Stephens/Riddle/Poirier is +220. I might do that.

                    I am probably going to do Poirier for sure, but I am trying to find something else to go with it.
                    talking about Poirier, there was also a video of him getting knocked out on youtube ... looked like a regional show ... don't know why it is not on his record, maybe it was an amateur fight.

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                    • Vandelay
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1934

                      Originally posted by poopoo333
                      Yeah, it will probably be +200, +250 at best though
                      I don't really see any1 else getting it. It rarely goes to undercard guys unless all the main fights suck. That leaves 5 main card bouts. It wont be going to werdum/nelson or koscheck/pierce or Herman/starks. That leaves barao/jorgensen as the main comp. And in that fight there is a good chance it is either one sided or a lay n pray.

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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        Condit/Diaz is almost guaranteed to bring the violence. I never bet FOTN props, but I think I am going to put something small on that, because... it damn near has to win it.
                        2012: +19.33
                        2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                        • MMA_scientist
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 9857

                          Upon further review, Stephen Thompson is not a bjj blackbelt. He has done the classic switcheroo on his website and fooled wikipedia and many others.



                          "Stepen is a blackbelt in juijitsu. Stephen is currently studying brazilian jiu jitsu under Carlos Machado..." So... he's a whitebelt. Whoever said blue belt skills is probably pretty accurate. No bet. Hopefully we get to see him standing for while.
                          2012: +19.33
                          2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                          • poopoo333
                            MMA *********
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 18302



                            I have met Werdum plenty of times and have seen him train alot here in Huntington Beach lately.

                            Here's some inside Info: Werdum is not 100%. He is Injured. His Knee is NOT 100% AT ALL. He's not training his MT 100% training with soft guys and his lateral movement is slacking. BUT HE IS NOT A UFC FIGHTER YET HE CAN'T BOW OUT OF THIS ONE HE IS COMING FROM STRIKEFORCE SO HE'S TAKING IT NO MATTER WHAT INJURED OR NOT.
                            I wonder if that is true.

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                            • trotterz
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 450

                              Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                              Caceres is better than I thought he was.

                              After seeing how good Jim Hettes is and how well he did with Escovedo, I had to re-think my original position on Caceres (that he was terrible, didn't belong, would go 0-3 and be gone forever).
                              There is no way that caceres wins ITD ...

                              So I will play on both...
                              Figueroa @ -140 is nice ... and then on caceres by decision when the line gets out

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                              • MMA_scientist
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 9857

                                Originally posted by trotterz
                                There is no way that caceres wins ITD ...
                                Caceres has a decent triangle choke.
                                2012: +19.33
                                2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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