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[sbjj]

Yea, Oliveira beat him bad. Lowe was easily beating him before he was caught in the third. And Griffin beat him but was robbed by the judges. I think Lentz has been very lucky in the UFC.

[MMA_scientist]

Lentz is the new Tyson Griffin. No matter how good or how bad his opponent is, Lentz will fight to their level and make it close. I think Oliveira blew him out though didn't he?

[Thewisemann]

Maybe

[poopoo333]

All in on Bocek over Lentz?

[sbjj]

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2672

Looks like only one site had it judged in favor of Bocek, probably based on submission attempts that failed hard and left Mark in terrible positions. Everyone else had it either 30-27 or 30-28. Given that I guess you could say Bocek did better than anyone else against Bendo in the UFC but it's not saying much.

What do you mean it is not saying much? He did better than both Miller and Guida. That would be like saying if someone did better against Jones than Shogun and Jackson that would mean nothing. I actually can not believe you even typed that nonsense. So Bocek having a better showing against Miller(a guy he also beat) and Guida does not say much? Get the F out. It says a whole lot when you are looking for a future bet on a guy(Bocek) who is a whole lot better than his record shows. That is the kinda stuff you have to look for. The dude is probably going to be close to even against F'n Lentz.

[Ludo]

Well BJ has always had terrible cardio by most standards. For a 155lb fighter he should be able to go much longer. There is a reason he used to be called "the best first round fighter in the world" early in his career. He wouldn't need sean sherk like cardio, but his stamina was among the worst in the division, or in welterweight for that matter. If he had the cardio to hang for the second and or third rounds I think he would have beaten Nick based on the first round and the way he was slipping punches and had Nick stepping back after he got tagged.

[SPX]

I really just don't know. One thing I feel confidently about though is that not everyone can have Sherk cardio just by training hard. BJ seems to do well as long as a fight is at a methodical pace and stays on the feet.

Frankie mystified him (just like Frankie did to Maynard).
Diaz just beat the shit out of him.

I will agree that if BJ's cardio had held up in rounds 2 and 3 then he should've won against Diaz. But none of us really know how hard he trains for a fight. We just assume.

[Ludo]

Bendo was still champ, so it was before the Pettis fight.

Do you really think Marinovich had that much to do with it? Just asking, because I'm undecided. I mean, did he lose to Edgar and Diaz because he wasn't in shape? Or did he lose because he just wasn't good enough?

Well he won the first fight with Frankie in My opinion, but thats neither here nor there. He definitely lost to Diaz because of poor conditioning. He just didn't have the gas to mount any credible offense after the first round because of the rapid pace Nick pushes. He lost to Frankie the second time and I think it was because Frankie flat out wanted it more. He wanted to prove he was better and that night he was much better. He figured out the puzzle and effectively dismantled Penn. I do think Mironovich had a direct impact on BJ though. He never looked so fresh in a fourth round as he did against Florian and Sanchez. I will say BJ could have been much better his entire career if only he took it seriously and trained hard for every fight.

[SPX]

Bendo was still champ, so it was before the Pettis fight.

Do you really think Marinovich had that much to do with it? Just asking, because I'm undecided. I mean, did he lose to Edgar and Diaz because he wasn't in shape? Or did he lose because he just wasn't good enough?

[Ludo]

BTW, as an interesting aside--and I'm not trying to name drop here, as everyone seems to think is the case when I make such a comment--but I talked to Bendo a while back and he said he trained with BJ and implied that BJ kicked his ass all around the cage.

Take it for what it's worth.

That doesn't surprise Me to be honest. Depending on how far back it was it could have been when BJ was with Mironovich and in phenomenal shape. Six pack Penn would have done to plenty of guys what he did to Diego that night had they been in Sanchez' place.

[SPX]

BTW, as an interesting aside--and I'm not trying to name drop here, as everyone seems to think is the case when I make such a comment--but I talked to Bendo a while back and he said he trained with BJ and implied that BJ kicked his ass all around the cage.

Take it for what it's worth.

[SPX]

But Bendo's WEC right? Everyone knows those guys are B-level. . .

[Ludo]

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2672

Looks like only one site had it judged in favor of Bocek, probably based on submission attempts that failed hard and left Mark in terrible positions. Everyone else had it either 30-27 or 30-28. Given that I guess you could say Bocek did better than anyone else against Bendo in the UFC but it's not saying much.

[SPX]

It's been a while, but seems I remember there being one close round. But yeah, Bocek got F'd in the A.

[Ludo]

I don't know what fight you watched but I remember Bocek getting his shit pushed in aside from some semi close submissions which can't count for much when the guy he's trying to submit happens to be un-sub-able. I had a pretty decent sized bet on Bocek and remember thinking it was all downhill from the first round.