UFC Fight Night 29: Shields vs Maia October 9th

[Svino]

Dammit, what was Pierce thinking!?

[Luke]

Dammit, what was Pierce thinking!?

He wanted to go home early. Why are you not in the chat box?

[Svino]

Looks like Palhares cost himself a SotN bonus, and the Brazilian commission may want to review his actions, too:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/10/9/4822394/ufc-rousimar-palhares-vs-mike-pierce-brazilian-commission-review-stoppage-leglock-submission?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[poopoo333]

Today in "Stop pretending Maldonado has a legit boxing record": in going 22-0, the first 20 opponents he faced had a .151 win percentage

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[SPX]

Joe Silva going nuts in the background. I think it could be interpreted a lot of different ways.

[Svino]

Shields: Takedowns: 1 of 12, Guard Passes: 5, Reversals: 1
Maia: Takedowns: 3 of 7, Guard Passes: 1, Reversals: 0

Looks like a case of the better wrestler (Maia) getting tooled on the ground by the superior BJJ guy (Shields).

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/4475

[SPX]

Don't you mean . . . AMERICAN jiu-jitsu?

[Svino]

Ah yes. Of course.

USA! USA! USA!

[edman5555]

I missed the maia and beltran fights. Who did you guys have winning them?

[Svino]

I thought Maia, Beltran, and Dillashaw all won their fights.

According to mmadecisions, people tend to think Shields, Beltran and Dillashaw won.

It also seems that the journalists who picked Shields gave him round 1, while the actual judges who picked him gave him round 5.

[Luke]

I missed the maia and beltran fights. Who did you guys have winning them?

I had Beltran winning 29-28 and Shields 48-47

[MMA_scientist]

Shields: Takedowns: 1 of 12, Guard Passes: 5, Reversals: 1
Maia: Takedowns: 3 of 7, Guard Passes: 1, Reversals: 0

Looks like a case of the better wrestler (Maia) getting tooled on the ground by the superior BJJ guy (Shields).

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/4475

Thre were zero guard passes by either man in that fight. I defy anyone to show me a guard pass that happened in that fight. Perhaps that is part of the MMa scoring problem. Maia scored a couple of advantages but if that was a grappling match, all the points were scored off takedowns. Maia would have won on points and by decision (because of his more advantageous positioning- having Shields in turtle with one hook, etc).

[Svino]

Thre were zero guard passes by either man in that fight. I defy anyone to show me a guard pass that happened in that fight. Perhaps that is part of the MMa scoring problem. Maia scored a couple of advantages but if that was a grappling match, all the points were scored off takedowns. Maia would have won on points and by decision (because of his more advantageous positioning- having Shields in turtle with one hook, etc).

Yeah, I think FightMetric uses their "passes" category to mean "dominant positions obtained".

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I think FightMetric uses their "passes" category to mean "dominant positions obtained".

Still. At what point did either man have a dominant position. Unless they are counting top position inside guard dominant. In which case... ok. The decision was fine IMO, but make it because Shields had more "riding time" so to speak, rather than that he achieved any position.

[Svino]

Still. At what point did either man have a dominant position. Unless they are counting top position inside guard dominant. In which case... ok. The decision was fine IMO, but make it because Shields had more "riding time" so to speak, rather than that he achieved any position.

They are counting half-guard. Shields would briefly pass into Maia's half-guard on several occasions.

Edit: and as far as *actual* judging rather than FM judging goes, I think riding time is probably the big consideration.