UFC 115 discussion/odds

[poopoo333]

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Final Plays:
1.5u to win 1u on Rothwell
1.7u to win 1u on Danzig/Wiman going distance
3u to win 2u on Thiago
0.25u to win a little over 0.5u on Wiman winning decision
0.25u to win 2.22u on Barry via decision
0.1u to win 49.48u on Liddel by decision, Barry by decision, Wiman by decision, Thiago, Rothwell
0.1u to win 92.85u on Curran, Pyle, Condit, Rothwell, Thiago, Wiman by decision, Barry by decision, Franklin/Chuck going the distance
0.1u on Rothwell/Yvel going the distance @+450
1.45u on Griffin/Dunham going the distance to win 1u
1u on on Macdonald/Condit going the distance to win 2.6u

[Luke]

Re: UFC 115 discussion/odds

It's indicative that he probably didn't train as hard as he did for the JDS fight.

Obviously it's not concrete or anything, but that's what you can gleam from it. It's not like Cro Cop is building muscle or anything at this stage of his career.

Agree

and yes 9 and 11 pounds higher for these two is a lot even at HW.It shows neither guy took training that serious.These guys only gut 30-40 pounds for fights not getting those 9 or 11 pounds off is a good chunk of the cuts/training they didnt do

[SPX]

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Agree

and yes 9 and 11 pounds higher for these two is a lot even at HW.It shows neither guy took training that serious.These guys only gut 30-40 pounds for fights not getting those 9 or 11 pounds off is a good chunk of the cuts/training they didnt do

The way I look at it is maybe that means CroCop did more weight training this time around.

Look at Mir for the Carwin fight. Sometimes weight gain is intentional.

[Luke]

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Agree

and yes 9 and 11 pounds higher for these two is a lot even at HW.It shows neither guy took training that serious.These guys only gut 30-40 pounds for fights not getting those 9 or 11 pounds off is a good chunk of the cuts/training they didnt do

The way I look at it is maybe that means CroCop did more weight training this time around.

Look at Mir for the Carwin fight. Sometimes weight gain is intentional.

Why would one gain weight when he's already slower than the guy he's fighting? If anything he'd want to cut more to get more speed

Muscles and weight dont move fast

[ManBoobKilla]

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Jesus!! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

[SPX]

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Why would one gain weight when he's already slower than the guy he's fighting? If anything he'd want to cut more to get more speed

Muscles and weight dont move fast

The counter to that argument would obviously be power.

There's always that trade-off. Being fast is good, but not if you sacrifice too much power. Being strong is good, but not if you sacrifice too much speed. You have to find a middle ground.

To give a personal example, when I was in high school and weighed 120 lbs I was no doubt faster than most guys who were 200 lbs. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't beat my ass.

[Svino]

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Why would one gain weight when he's already slower than the guy he's fighting? If anything he'd want to cut more to get more speed

Muscles and weight dont move fast

Question: Judging by the size of champion K1 guys compared to HW boxing champs, it seems that kickboxers optimize at a higher weight. Is there an obvious explanation for why this is true?

[Luke]

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Why would one gain weight when he's already slower than the guy he's fighting? If anything he'd want to cut more to get more speed

Muscles and weight dont move fast

Question: Judging by the size of champion K1 guys compared to HW boxing champs, it seems that kickboxers optimize at a higher weight. Is there an obvious explanation for why this is true?

The two current HW boxing champs are the Klitschko brothers who are 6'7 247 and 6'6 244 ,the one before them was Lennox Lewis who was 6"5' 250 so I'm not sure what you mean.


If you mean why are kick boxers thicker than boxers its because boxers have to fight 36 minutes K-1 fighters go 9 so they want skinning legs and kickboxers want monster legs they can kick with at HW

[zY|]

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Jesus!! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

Who the hell is that?

[Svino]

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The two current HW boxing champs are the Klitschko brothers who are 6'7 247 and 6'6 244 ,the one before them was Lennox Lewis who was 6"5' 250 so I'm not sure what you mean.

OK, that is a little heavier than I thought. I was thinking they capped out at 230 or so.

[ManBoobKilla]

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Jesus!! Where the hell did that come from?!?!

Who the hell is that?

james wilks lol

[Mr. IWS]

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Or you could be Brock, and have size, speed and power.

I may be laying off Barry now. I didnt realize he was that light for his previous fights.

[poopoo333]

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Condit at +135 is intriguing. I think Funch might win too.

[edman5555]

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It's indicative that he probably didn't train as hard as he did for the JDS fight.

Obviously it's not concrete or anything, but that's what you can gleam from it. It's not like Cro Cop is building muscle or anything at this stage of his career.

Well he did say this is the first time he can fully use his legs. that might be a bs excuse for losing in the past but if not he may be working them out more. -because he isn't afraid to injure them. Longshot but maybe.

[Svino]

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OK, I've decided to take:

Rothwell 3U
Franklin 2U
Dunham 2U
Wiman 2U
Funch 1U