Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I thought Sherk tested postive?

If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless

Sherk tested positive but provided a lot of good evidence that supplements he was taking could cause a false positive results in roid tests.

The commission even cut his suspension in half. The whole thing was fucked. It's not nearly as simple as "Sherk tested positive."

Why isnt it that simple? If testing positive isnt proof then what is?

What supplements was he on? Did the supplements always cause a positive test or was it a it could? Just wondering

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Most steroid use in MMA is for healing injuries faster anyways. In weight classes other than HW, building up massive bulk isn't really that helpful. I doubt using them sporadically is going to make you die immediately. Even then, I'm not so sure. I'm not saying he juiced up, but there's no reason Bobby Lashley should be that fucking big. Dude has got like a 185 pound frame encased in a cocoon of solid muscle to gas out with.

Ive read where roids can enlarge your heart also since its a muscle.That could be a cause for a suddent heart attack at an early age.

I just think the bad things that could happen from roids far out weigh the good they could do .Just my opinion


triple post lol

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

All the credibility I had given Sherk went out the window, when he was sprinting down the Vegas Strip after one of his last fights, skipping the post fight test.

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

What supplements was he on? Did the supplements always cause a positive test or was it a it could? Just wondering

I'd have to do a straight up investigation to get back to that info but it's common knowledge that some over-the-counter supplements can render a positive result on steroid tests.

Why isnt it that simple? If testing positive isnt proof then what is?

The fact that it's KNOWN that some circumstances can cause a false positive result is all that's necessary to make every test suspect. It's kind of like a polygraph: just because it says someone's lying doesn't mean they are.

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

All the credibility I had given Sherk went out the window, when he was sprinting down the Vegas Strip after one of his last fights, skipping the post fight test.

He went back and took it.

I definitely don't think he is CURRENTLY doing steroids even if he was in the past.

[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Most steroid use in MMA is for healing injuries faster anyways. In weight classes other than HW, building up massive bulk isn't really that helpful. I doubt using them sporadically is going to make you die immediately. Even then, I'm not so sure. I'm not saying he juiced up, but there's no reason Bobby Lashley should be that fucking big. Dude has got like a 185 pound frame encased in a cocoon of solid muscle to gas out with.

Ive read where roids can enlarge your heart also since its a muscle.That could be a cause for a suddent heart attack at an early age.

I just think the bad things that could happen from roids far out weigh the good they could do .Just my opinion


triple post lol

I just think there is likely an incredible amount of misinformation out there. Obviously if you do anything incorrectly or excessively, there will be consequences. Everything is dangerous if you take enough. I just do not think it is simple as 'steroids will kill you'. It literally cannot be. I believe only the negative comes out due to the stigma and legality of anabolic steroids. Aspirin is perfectly legal, but if you take 13 of them motherfuckers that will be your last headache. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the subject or care enough to research to actually have the facts.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

In my mental court of justice:

Roid users that have not been caught: Overeem, Coleman, Couture (that's right), Lashley, Tibau, Dufee

Guys that got caught but quit: Sherk*, Marquart, Bonnar, Sylvia, Royce, Hermes, Ricco, Vitor Belfort, Leben

Guys that caught that still dope: Alves, Barnett, Shamrock, Giant Silva, Jeff Monson**, Randleman***

*I believe Sherk.
** Never tested positive but openly admitted using them to train for fights
*** never tested positive, but his urine sample I think was actual horse piss.

[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Wasn't Alves just caught with a diuretic for weight cutting?

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Wasn't Alves just caught with a diuretic for weight cutting?

yeah, my bad... move Alves to that has not been caught yet list. He clearly dopes too. I am making the medical opinion that this is why he has brain damage. Alves does steroids, alves has a brain irregularity. Ipso facto, steroids cause brain damage.

[poopoo333]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Meh, just because of a good physique doesn't mean the guy is using.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

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I don't know, maybe I am a cynic. But I have seen a lot of guys lift a lot of weights, and I just never see these kinds of results. I know guys, personal trainers, whatever- they have been working out and eating right for 10 years... never never do they get that big. Not too mention, these fighters have to do insane amounts of cardio. When you are sparring, it is a major cardio workout. There is just too much muscle mass... if you are doing an hour of cardio a day, there is no freaking way you can maintain that much mass. Plus, his head got bigger. Look how much bigger his head got. It is obvious.

Look at college and olympic wrestlers. They do a very similar workout. They are all shredded, but they dont have massive traps with veins popping out. OUt of the tens of thousands of wrestlers I have seen, I don't think any of them look like a WWE superstar (Lesnar was probably the closest thing, but even he was very lean compared to his WWE physique).

[Luke]

Re: Andrei Arlovski signs with Strikeforce will fight big foot

WOW WOW WOW

Kid Yamamoto now scheduled to make his SF debut on this card.

Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card

[SPX]

Re: Andrei Arlovski signs with Strikeforce will fight big foot

Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card

What the fuck? Why?

[Luke]

Re: Andrei Arlovski signs with Strikeforce will fight big foot

Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card

What the fuck? Why?

No idea just know he's off the card

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

MMAjunkie says he might be fighting at DREAM 14 instead