Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I'd like to get Svino's take on the probability of him not only having a dream that had multiple elements events come true, but also waking up at just the right time, and also it being one of the rare dreams that he remembered.

Also, you have to keep in mind the rarity of the events. If he dreamed that he went to Starbucks and saw a man in a red shirt, I'd say coincidence. But he dreamed about an explosion at a chemical plant involving specific individuals at a specific time.

Where you at, Svino?

[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I'd say a deja vu is more likely the result of a brain/memory misfire than an actual premonition. I mean really, what's more likely? I'm not saying your dad is lying but just because he thinks he dreamed it beforehand doesn't mean that he did.

[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

That or it's a glitch in the matrix; it happens when they change something.

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I'd say a deja vu is more likely the result of a brain/memory misfire than an actual premonition. I mean really, what's more likely? I'm not saying your dad is lying but just because he thinks he dreamed it beforehand doesn't mean that he did.

The deja vu was mine, not my dad's.

My dad definitely had that dream. Like I said, he woke up in the middle of it and looked at the clock. I think he may have even leaned over and told my mom about it. Of course, at the time he just thought it was a dream. But then it played out almost verbatim the next day.

[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

You believe in ghosts too, don't you.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I'd like to get Svino's take on the probability of him not only having a dream that had multiple elements events come true, but also waking up at just the right time, and also it being one of the rare dreams that he remembered.

Also, you have to keep in mind the rarity of the events. If he dreamed that he went to Starbucks and saw a man in a red shirt, I'd say coincidence. But he dreamed about an explosion at a chemical plant involving specific individuals at a specific time.

Where you at, Svino?

MMAScienetist said this is how to get Svino to come out .







Its his bat signal

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

You believe in ghosts too, don't you.

To be clear, I am open to a lot of ideas. I think that science is sometimes short-sighted in that it denies the existence of anything that it can't immediately replicate in a laboratory. For years scientists denied the existence of ball lightning. The shit was clear to see for everyone else who was in the right place at the right time, but scientists wouldn't believe it because they couldn't recreate it and couldn't understand how it could exist.

I think that anecdotal evidence, while not necessarily being reliable, is intriguing when you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people recount similar happenings. It's kind of like near-death experiences. Eventually enough people came forward that researchers eventually had to concede, "yeah, yeah, I guess the shit's really happening." Now there are plenty of credible university researchers who specialize in the phenomenon, like Bruce Greyson, professor of psychiatry at the University of Virginia.

To answer your question pointedly though, I don't believe in much of anything, but I am open to most everything.

The UFO question is pretty interesting.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I'd say a deja vu is more likely the result of a brain/memory misfire than an actual premonition. I mean really, what's more likely? I'm not saying your dad is lying but just because he thinks he dreamed it beforehand doesn't mean that he did.

I think its strange when I have a dream with someone in it that I havent seen in 10-15 years and then the very next day I see that person.Thats happened to me a few times

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I think its strange when I have a dream with someone in it that I havent seen in 10-15 years and then the very next day I see that person.Thats happened to me a few times

You see, I wouldn't say that that's proof of anything, but I'd at least be open to the possibility that maybe there's more to that than just coincidence.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I think its strange when I have a dream with someone in it that I havent seen in 10-15 years and then the very next day I see that person.Thats happened to me a few times

You see, I wouldn't say that that's proof of anything, but I'd at least be open to the possibility that maybe there's more to that than just coincidence.

I dont know what causes it. You look at it more deeply than I do .When it does happen (and I'd say its happened around 3 times ) I just think "man thats odd" and then go on about my week

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Sorry I hate to miss all of this.

SPX- I am not particularly skeptical. I am not a scientist. I think of myself more as an economist (I actually wrote my thesis in legal economics). I look at motivations... for that reason I am extremely skeptical of any 3rd party reports. People are crazy and they have a stong psychological motivator, we all want to be perceived as special.

I don't want to shit on your dad's story. But these things have a tendency to get more dramatic when we recall them and even moreso when we re-tell them. Basicallym your dad is a lying sack of Utah crap. And you being the good son, can't believe that his recall is not perfect. Or there could be a million other explanations. Maybe he saw something at work that day that he subcounsciously though "that's a fire hazard." And lo and behold, it was. He dremt about it because it was a fleeting thought. Then because there actually was a fire hazard, there was a fire. His dream came true. Or more likely, there was a common cause of the two events... the fire hazard. It caused both your father's dream, and the actual fire.

I am open to any theory as well, but I am an economist, so I look at the causes and potential other theories. In this case, more likely theories. Same goes with aliens. For all the people that claim to be have seen a UFO it must be true right? Or maybe the movies and other reports plant the idea in their heads. They see something, and convince themselves its a UFO. When really, it is a guy throwing a light up ball in the park and his dog is carrying it back (I used ot take my dog to the park and throw a flashing ball in the dark. He would get it and carry it back. Someone called the police and reported a UFO. They couldn't see me or the black dog, so they could not explain the erratice movements of the ball in the dog's mouth).

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I dont know what causes it. You look at it more deeply than I do .When it does happen (and I'd say its happened around 3 times ) I just think "man thats odd" and then go on about my week

Indeed. Well I think that's probably what most people do. And yet, people are having these sorts of experiences all the time and they're just getting brushed off. It reminds of an experience my friend had. I can't remember the details, but I know it went something like: She had a dream that her grandfather had died. He appeared in her dream and was apologizing to her, saying he was sorry for the way he had acted (he had been kind of an asshole). Then she woke up.

The next day she found out that her grandfather had died throughout the night.

So how do you handle that? Especially how do you handle it when experiences like this, and yours, and my dad's are happening across the world on a regular basis? It's like you say, people just brush it off and say, "man, that's odd."

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I look at motivations... for that reason I am extremely skeptical of any 3rd party reports. People are crazy and they have a stong psychological motivator, we all want to be perceived as special.

I actually don't disagree with you. I think that you're right in that many people are delusional, and many people are outright lying.

However, I like the white crow argument, which you may have heard, that goes something like: In order to prove that not all crows are black, it's not necessary to prove that no crows are. You only have to find one white crow. So I apply that to any speculative phenomena. In order for aliens, or ghosts, or whatever to actually exist, it only takes one genuine case.

Since you bring up UFOs, I'll briefly discuss one example of a skeptical researcher who turned believer. In the 40s and 50s, the US government undertook what they called Project Blue Book, the purpose of which was to investigate UFO reports. They brought in a guy named J. Allen Hynek as a scientific consultant. Hynek as himself skeptical of the whole thing--perhaps he could even be called a debunker--and even went so far as to say that "the whole subject seems utterly ridiculous." Along the way, he came to a number of conclusions about the origins of these "UFOs," including mis-identifying natural phenomena or terrestrial objects, delusion, fraud, and even swamp gas.

However, over time, as he collected more and more reports, and talked to more and more people, including astronauts, pilots, military guys, and government officials, his conclusion slowly shifted and he became a believer.

I think that if more people--and more scientists--would genuinely examine a lot of these phenomena that are, at this point, backed up only by anecdotal evidence, then we would see more open-mindedness to such topics. Instead, most people already have their minds made up about something without actually doing any more research than watching a program about it on the History Channel.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I see it as the opposite. An extremely high percentage of the population believes stuff that has no basis in anything. UFO's, again, I think people think they saw something. But your would think after 100 years or so of people saying they see something, there would be something. One iota of evidence. People have a lot of faith, especially in 3rd party reports, which is like the last thing I tend to believe. People are all crazy in their own little ways.

A lot of religious leaders seem to think the world has lost faith. I disagree entirely with that. People will go to great lengths to believe something. But they will only believe what they want to believe. Whether it is subconscious or conscious I don't know. But I cosider myself open and pretty rational. I have never seen anything, anything at all that I could not explain within 5 minutes of looking for an answer.

That said, I am not a nihlist at all. I believe in a lot of other wordly things, mostly spiritual things (and not so much things that try to create an illusion that I am superhuman or powerful). But to me it is a separate issue.

[Ludo]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

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