UFN 3/31 odds/discussion

[SPX]

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Anyone else wondering where the rest of the lines are, by the way?

Right as I say they they get posted.

And I'm not really happy. Torres at -237 against Volkmann. I was not expecting that.

[Svino]

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I'm in favor of any rule that minimizes the effect of weight-cutting. As I see it, weight classes were made to give smaller athletes the chance to compete, not to make a weight-cutting a vital skill to success in the sport. Also, huge weight swings aren't healthy for the fighters.

[SPX]

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I'm in favor of any rule that minimizes the effect of weight-cutting. As I see it, weight classes were made to give smaller athletes the chance to compete, not to make a weight-cutting a vital skill to success in the sport. Also, huge weight swings aren't healthy for the fighters.

These are my thoughts. I hate that "weight cutting is a skill" mindset. Weight classes are designed to match up equally sized fighters. Weight cutting sucks.

[zY|]

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Also, huge weight swings aren't healthy for the fighters.

Neither is fighting without being properly hydrated.

[SPX]

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Neither is fighting without being properly hydrated.

Don't cut weight and you don't have to worry about it.

[Svino]

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Also, huge weight swings aren't healthy for the fighters.

Neither is fighting without being properly hydrated.

Yeah, that's the catch. How to do this without having guys decide that it's best to fight dehydrated. Seems like you would have to weigh them at several points before the fight if you really wanted to make sure they weren't bouncing around. I would think the fighters would be in favor of it though; don't they hate having to go through all that weight-cutting stuff?

[SPX]

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I would think the fighters would be in favor of it though; don't they hate having to go through all that weight-cutting stuff?

I've thought about this, too.

It seems like everyone does it because they know everyone else is going to do it, and so for the most part they STILL come into the cage around the same size (the exceptions are obviously those who are notorious for doing otherwise, like Rumble and Tibau).

So if everyone would just agree NOT to do it, then they could just come in at their real weight and it would be the same shit, they'd just feel better.

[zY|]

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SPX, that sounds like a real nice MMA utopia there, but it's not realistic at all. Besides, despite the fact that fighters are always looking for any advantage possible, there are still serious logistical obstacles with getting rid of weight cutting. How exactly do you define "real weight"? Is it what a guy balloons up to when he's not training? Or is it what a guy weighs at the end of his training camp?

It really doesn't matter either way. Due to fighters not all being the same person and the small number of weight classes, there will always be size differences. What if one guy weighs 163 at the end of his camp and another guy is 172? What do you do there? Do you allow the guy to cut 2 pounds and fight at WW with the guy who should be cutting to LW? Or you do make him fight at MW against the guy who's 185? It really doesn't matter, you're never going to eliminate weight cutting and size differences. It is what it is, which is part of the sport.

And to be honest, I really don't see it as that big of a deal. I think size advantages are extremely overrated. How often do you see a guy drop a weight class so he can have the advantage of being "bigger" and not do any better? BJ Penn beats up most welterweights, Silva beats up most light heavyweights. Obviously size is a factor, but skill determines much more. It's a tremendous effort to fix something that isn't broken, and probably won't even work.

Anyways, that's just my take on it. I don't expect anyone to agree. Sorry for the ramble.

[Luke]

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I know one thing fighters that dont cut weight have way longer careers. The up and down shit makes you older a lot faster.It also makes your hair fall out

[zY|]

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I know one thing fighters that dont cut weight have way longer careers. The up and down shit makes you older a lot faster.It also makes your hair fall out

Nearly all fighters cut weight in modern MMA. Some obviously much more than others but I don't think that kind of blanket statement is very accurate unless we're talking actual numbers.

[Svino]

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Fighters will do whatever they have to do to win fights under the rules that the promotion / athletic commissions set for them. If you want to free them from the burden of having to cut weight, you actually have to set up the rules and weighings so that they can't get away with it. Otherwise, each guy will have to do it to keep up with the other guys.

[poopoo333]

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+175 or more on Volkmann when the lines go up on 5dimes, I will be throwing 0.5 units down on him. I think Emerson is a good underdog bet, and I like Winner at -165.. but I have to watch some of Oliveira's footage again

[Luke]

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I know one thing fighters that dont cut weight have way longer careers. The up and down shit makes you older a lot faster.It also makes your hair fall out

Nearly all fighters cut weight in modern MMA. Some obviously much more than others but I don't think that kind of blanket statement is very accurate unless we're talking actual numbers.

ok i'm wrong ,I have no idea what I'm talking about

[zY|]

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I know one thing fighters that dont cut weight have way longer careers. The up and down shit makes you older a lot faster.It also makes your hair fall out

Nearly all fighters cut weight in modern MMA. Some obviously much more than others but I don't think that kind of blanket statement is very accurate unless we're talking actual numbers.

ok i'm wrong ,I have no idea what I'm talking about

LOL right. Because that's exactly what I said.

[Luke]

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Its a prove fact gaining alot of weight and then losing alot of weight over and over again slows a persons reflexes and makes their bodies older and more prone to injuries. Now someone with half a brain would realize slower reflexes and a body that is breaking down would = not as long of career vs someone that walks around within 5-10 pounds of what they fight at



but again I said half a brain so:



you are right lol