UFC 117

[Mr. IWS]

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^^^^^^Soares is like that black guy in Rocky 2, telling Apollo Creed not to take the rematch with Rocky.

[SPX]

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I cant see Belfort even coming close to beating Silva

You said the same thing about Sonnen and look what happened.

This will be a standup war and I could see Belfort catching Silva for sure. It's like there's a huge skill gap or anything.

[SPX]

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WAR MOTHERFUCKIN' SONNEN!

[Luke]

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I cant see Belfort even coming close to beating Silva

You said the same thing about Sonnen (R-Or) and look what happened.

This will be a standup war and I could see Belfort catching Silva for sure. It's like there's a huge skill gap or anything.

Sonnen lost .Had I bet Silva it would have been a winning bet .

If I see a small line on Silva I'm going to be on it like a fat kid on candy

I think you are looking at this fight (Silva-Sonnen)way to much and you're getting sucked into hype again

[SPX]

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Sonnen (R-Or) lost .Had I bet Silva it would have been a winning bet.

Dude, own up to your actions. Yes, Sonnen lost, but you acted like Sonnen just had no chance. He won every single round before the finish, some of them with 10-8s! Just admit that your perception of the fight--and Sonnen's chances--was wrong.

Don't hate.

If I see a small line on Silva I'm going to be on it like a fat kid on candy

I think you are looking at this fight (Silva-Sonnen (R-Or))way to much and you're getting sucked into hype again

If you go back to my posts when Silva was supposed to fight Vitor in the first place, I said I thought Vitor had a good chance. Why doesn't he? He's a HELL of a puncher, with fast hands and fast reactions, so I don't see why you're counting him out.

I think that YOU are getting caught up in the hype . . . the hype of Silva being some invincible machine.

[MMA_scientist]

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I can see both sides of the argument. I understand the Soares/Zy position. Soares brings up a great point, finish the damn fight and there is no issue. If your plan is to win a decision, you get what you get. And he did get stopped... whether you think it was a fluke or hail mary or whatever, Sonnen got stopped inside the distance.

But on the flip side, he took 4 rounds from Silva... so yeah. I don't think Silva wants that fight again. I can understand why they are saying he should have to fight again to get a rematch.

[SPX]

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But on the flip side, he took 4 rounds from Silva... so yeah. I don't think Silva wants that fight again. I can understand why they are saying he should have to fight again to get a rematch.

Fine.

Let Sonnen fight Maia again while Vitor fights Silva. And if Silva is still the champ after all of that, it's rematch time.

[MMA_scientist]

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If Sonnen can catch Silva on the feet, Belfort definitely can. Some of that was because Silva was worried about the takedown, but still.

I am not eating crow over my prediction that Sonnen would get his ass kicked until I find out more about Silva's rib. If true, that makes a huge difference. I mean, if he was fighting with a broken or separated rib... and Sonnen still couldn't finish, then that drops Sonnen lower in my book. It is like when he couldn't finish Filho even though he was drunk and seeing ghosts and shit.

If it turns out Silva's rib was no biggie, then I will admit I undervalued Sonnen.

[Luke]

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Dude, own up to your actions. Yes, Sonnen (R-Or) lost, but you acted like Sonnen (R-Or) just had no chance. He won every single round before the finish, some of them with 10-8s! Just admit that your perception of the fight--and Sonnen (R-Or)'s chances--was wrong.

A win is a win a loss is a loss. I said Silva would win .Sure I was wrong how the fight playedout but 90% of the time people here and everywhere else are wrong with their predictions of how a fight will play out.The only thing that matters is that you have the right outcome

If you go back to my posts when Silva was supposed to fight Vitor in the first place, I said I thought Vitor had a good chance. Why doesn't he? He's a HELL of a puncher, with fast hands and fast reactions, so I don't see why you're counting him out.

I think that YOU are getting caught up in the hype . . . the hype of Silva being some invincible machine

lol you got to be kidding take that crap back to sherdog


There were reports Silva didnt train hard, reports Silva had hurt ribs,Sonnen himself said Silva seemed hurt =bad performance

Even if none of that were true how does Silva looking bad against a wrestler make Belfort (a striker)have more of a chance?

[MMA_scientist]

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But on the flip side, he took 4 rounds from Silva... so yeah. I don't think Silva wants that fight again. I can understand why they are saying he should have to fight again to get a rematch.

Fine.

Let Sonnen (R-Or) fight Maia again while Vitor fights Silva. And if Silva is still the champ after all of that, it's rematch time.

Maia has a tough matchup with Miranda, but if he gets by that fight... I think Sonnen would probably beat Maia if they fought again. After seeing Maia/Silva and Maia/Miller... I think that throw he hit on Sonnen was sort of lucky. He is going to have to figure out a way to drag Sonnen down. It could happen and Maia could guard pull him... I really think he only needs a few seconds on the mat to submit Sonnen. He was giving Anderson the armbar all night... I think Anderson must just suck at guard armbars. Sonnen has to be favored in the striking now. So it would come down to whether Demian could get him down again, which I sort of doubt.

[SPX]

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Sonnen doesn't finish anyone. It's not his style.

[Luke]

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If Sonnen (R-Or) can catch Silva on the feet, Belfort definitely can. Some of that was because Silva was worried about the takedown, but still.

I am not eating crow over my prediction that Sonnen (R-Or) would get his ass kicked until I find out more about Silva's rib. If true, that makes a huge difference. I mean, if he was fighting with a broken or separated rib... and Sonnen (R-Or) still couldn't finish, then that drops Sonnen (R-Or) lower in my book. It is like when he couldn't finish Filho even though he was drunk and seeing ghosts and shit.

If it turns out Silva's rib was no biggie, then I will admit I undervalued Sonnen (R-Or).

Pretty much my thoughts also. The worried about being taken down and possibly hurt ribs pretty much covers it in my book. None of that is going to be a factor when fighting Belfort

[SPX]

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There were reports Silva didnt train hard, reports Silva had hurt ribs,Sonnen (R-Or) himself said Silva seemed hurt =bad performance

If he was hurt that bad he wouldn't have fought. Since when do we not laugh at excuses?

I mean, sure, there may be something to it, but there no way to prove it either way unless he brings out a dated X-ray of a cracked rib or something.

Even if none of that were true how does Silva looking bad against a wrestler make Belfort (a striker)have more of a chance?

Like Scientist said, if Sonnen can catch Silva with a punch--or multiple punches, really--then Vitor definitely can.

Besides, like I said before, in case you don't remember I was pimping Vitor back when that match was first made.

[MMA_scientist]

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I tore some intercostal cartilage a few months ago. You flat out cannot do jiu jitsu without your ribs. It is really hard to move. Witness BJ/Hughes 2... you just suck, you are like a dead fish. So if he had an injury and managed to survive, its really pretty impressive.

As for laughing at his excuse... he was holding his ribcage in round 1. He wasn't sitting between rounds (having suffered a small rib injury, it hurts worse to sit). It may be bullshit, but sometimes excuses are true. I believe the BJ/Hughes injury costed BJ the fight. On teh other hand, I don't really buy the Nog/Mir staph excuse.

[sbjj]

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I just find it humorous when guys can not admit they were on the wrong side of a bet. It really makes me wonder if they even bet real money at times. the whole point of betting Boxing or MMA(or any sport I gather) would be to learn from mistakes. Obviously sonnen was the right side of the bet...just like Shogun was the right side of the line when he fought Machida the first time.

It is also pretty obvious that the hype crowd was on Silva before this fight...But who knows, the hype crowd might be on Belfort or Sonnen next time around.

All it will take with a fighter like Silva is just ONE lost step. he is a fighter who relies on his speed, reflexes, and hand eye cooridination. He will be easier to hit and easier to take down once he slows down(even just a bit).