UFC 117

[Luke]

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Are you convinced of this rib injury--or at least that it was a SERIOUS injury--because you like fucking with everyone or you have a massive appetite for black Brazilian trouser snake?

Because I've never seen you just buy into an injury story so easily before.

You're right I'm usually the last person to believe an injury report but this time I think it was legit. I was rooting for Sonnen to win but after rewatching the fight I do believe Silva had hurt ribs . MMAscientist explained it best a few posts back

[MMA_scientist]

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What will you need as proof? an X-ray, or maybe just Ed saying he was hurt? Silva is not mobile on the bottom most times. He locked up Dan and just layed there. it is not his style. Plus we are not talking about 2 guy @ -200 here. he was -500, that line indicates that even with an injured rib he should still beat Sonnen (R-Or).

BJ released a statement from his doctors after the Hughes fight. He had a fracture of his costochondral junction.

I doubt Silva cares enough about what everyone thinks of him to release a doctor statement... but that would be enough for me.

Rib injuries suck. If it was a different fight, it might not matter as much. But you need your abdominals and ribs to move in guard, which is where the fight happened. Like I said, having suffered a relatively minor rib injury myself, I know I couldn't do anything grappling related... Even though he might not be Jacare off his back, you need your abs to control the posture of the top guy... pulling him down and offbalancing him. Closed guard is a subtle art... most of what goes on is barely noticable. Instead of just holding on with the legs, you can rock the top man forward off his base side to side, he can't hit you because he is off balance. It makes a big difference in how much damage you take. Tying him up is a lot easier if you can use your abs to rock him forward, instead of just trying to hang on with the arms...

It could all be total bs. But I am withholding judgment until we get info. If nothing else, we will see the medical suspensions.

To me, he just LOOKED like his ribs were hurt, even before he said anything about it.

[sbjj]

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Wow! That sentence is hardly readable. So let me get it straight, you might lose a bet by being unlucky, BUT if you were on the right side your bet will win? WTF!

You're the one that make no sense .

The right side of a bet is the one that cashes plain and simple.

If you bet on Sonnen (R-Or) you lost so it wasnt the "right side" as you were saying

Luke, we just look at it differently. Let put it in Poker terms...You are the dude that gets lucky on the river, and jumps up and screams, I beat your ass.

i am the dude that just realizes that it did not work out this time, but I made the right play at the time.

[SPX]

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You're the one that make no sense .

The right side of a bet is the one that cashes plain and simple.

If you bet on Sonnen (R-Or) you lost so it wasnt the "right side" as you were saying

So you would take Scott Smith in a rubber match against Cung Le at +100? How about +1000?

[Luke]

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We just disagree on wording I guess. I still believe the right play was Shogun in the first Machida fight. Even though I thought Machida deserved the decision, and i thought before hand that he would dominate. But, after the fight, I clearly knew I had capped the fight incorrectly, and believed the right play was shogun.

it would make no sense for me to argue that Machida was the right side, when Shogun clearly was the right play at the lines given. the only reason I would argue that I was right(that Machida was the play), was for ego sake.

I'll 100% agree with you that Sonnen is the side that had value .

[Luke]

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You're the one that make no sense .

The right side of a bet is the one that cashes plain and simple.

If you bet on Sonnen (R-Or) (R-Or) you lost so it wasnt the "right side" as you were saying

So you would take Scott Smith in a rubber match against Cung Le at +100? How about +1000?

Value and the right side are two different things

[sbjj]

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Sorry Luke, I just do not look at it in those terms, Saying a win is a win, and a loss is a loss is not looking at the big picture. shit, it sounds like you flip coins to pick winners. Why did you lose the bet, or why did you win it?

It is funny, because during the fight in here, everyone was on Sonnens nuts, and the talk was how smart the monet was that was on Sonnen. What has changed?

[SPX]

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You're right I'm usually the last person to believe an injury report but this time I think it was legit. I was rooting for Sonnen (R-Or) to win but after rewatching the fight I do believe Silva had hurt ribs . MMAscientist explained it best a few posts back

Fair enough. Maybe so.

But the truth remains the same, and that's that I hate Anderson Silva.

[SPX]

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Value and the right side are two different things

Well now we're just playing word games.

[Luke]

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Fair enough. Maybe so.

But the truth remains the same, and that's that I hate Anderson Silva.

I dont really care for Silva either but I try not to let it cloud my judgement

[sbjj]

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You're the one that make no sense .

The right side of a bet is the one that cashes plain and simple.

If you bet on Sonnen (R-Or) (R-Or) (R-Or) you lost so it wasnt the "right side" as you were saying

So you would take Scott Smith in a rubber match against Cung Le at +100? How about +1000?

Value and the right side are two different things

again Wow, I guess if you take the wording literally, than yes. i just assumed dudes that bet MMA would know what I was saying. I can not tell you how many big time cappers have said to me. I lost that bet, but at least i had the right side. Right side meaning the side YOU SHOULD have been on before the fight.

[Luke]

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Value and the right side are two different things

Well now we're just playing word games.

Well thats just the way I've always looked at betting and the way Zak repsonded I think he feels the sameway.

If Fedor was to fight Mir and the line was +100000 the value would be with Mir. Now after Fedor wins the right side of the bet was Fedor even though the value was with Mir . You see what I'm saying?

[SPX]

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again Wow, I guess if you take the wording literally, than yes. i just assumed dudes that bet MMA would know what I was saying. I can not tell you how many big time cappers have said to me. I lost that bet, but at least i had the right side. Right side meaning the side YOU SHOULD have been on before the fight.

Everyone knows what you're saying. A lot of times it's a legitimate point and yes, I absolutely believe that Sonnen was "the right side of the bet" here.

It does suck though when people use it as an excuse because they're analysis sucked and they don't want to look stupid. (Obviously not saying that that's you right now.)

[Luke]

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again Wow, I guess if you take the wording literally, than yes. i just assumed dudes that bet MMA would know what I was saying. I can not tell you how many big time cappers have said to me. I lost that bet, but at least i had the right side. Right side meaning the side YOU SHOULD have been on before the fight.

I just call that the side that had the value .

[SPX]

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Well thats just the way I've always looked at betting and the way Zak repsonded I think he feels the sameway.

If Fedor was to fight Mir and the line was +100000 the value would be with Mir. Now after Fedor wins the right side of the bet was Fedor even though the value was with Mir . You see what I'm saying?

I see what you're saying, but among the MMA betting community as a whole, I don't think that that's the common usage of the term.