UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

[Havis Jr]

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Lentz looks like a good play.



What do you guys think of Soto v Osipczak

Osipczak has fought 2 wrestlers in his last fights. Riddle then Story. Riddle was winning the fight on points until the 2 referee standups. That fight was in the UK, so the crowd was booing as soon as it hit the mat... Story won a split dec.

But both fights Osipczak was taken down pretty easily, I think soto can do the same, his wiki says he was wrestling since 7th grade and has college wrestling experience.

This seems like another brit striker v wrestler matchup.

[sbjj]

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Would love to actually see his fight with Story, because Story is pretty much a stud. And it was a split.

[Havis Jr]

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Would love to actually see his fight with Story, because Story is pretty much a stud. And it was a split.

Rnd 1: story gets the takedown within 20 seconds, story with some decent gnp for 5 min, even passes guard a few times. Neither guy takes any big damage.

Rnd 2: Both are tired. Story tries to get takedown, Osipczak defends well and gets a few trips, but story is back on his feet pretty quickly. Osipczak takes the round.

rnd 3: both are gassed. Lots of clinch work on the cage. Osipczak gets another trip, but Story gets the arm in guillotine for a min then he lets it go to get back to his feet. Story gets a final takedown, and I think that's what won him the fight.

I don't think I've seen enough of Soto to really bet too big. Osipczak TDD still seems kinda weak, but he doesn't take much damage on the ground....

[MMA_scientist]

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Just been looking at this fight. I am actually thinking about Osipzsac.

Riddle was ruling Soto until the upkick. His wrestling is not anywhere near Story's. He was basically a kind of decent high school wrestler in NJ. He wasn't even a State champ or anything. Here is a article that mentions he was a distrct champ and regional runner up (basically a decent high school wrestler, not even a star): http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/ ... t-Saturday
I don't see where he wrestled in college and he was getting taken down a lot by Riddle.
Soto is a brown belt under Pelligrino, who also has a wrestling base. I expect him to have a solid grappling advantage over Nick, if he can get it there.

Riddle did take Nick down several times. He also got swept a few times and mounted a few times, something Soto was not able to do to Riddle. I doubt Nick will sweep Soto just based on his bjj training.

I can't even find a play by play for the Story fight. One judge gave it to Nick... all 3 judges gave Nick at least one round. I really wish I could get SOMETHING on the Story fight. Anything that says he was not taken down at will. I found a poorly translated article that says Nick was pissed after the Story fight and went to work on his wrestling.

[MMA_scientist]

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Havis ! where did you find that... I couldnt find a thing.

[zY|]

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http://www.mmabloodbath.com/2010/04/nic ... o-ufc.html

2nd one works.

[MMA_scientist]

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It didn't work for me. What does Nick's TD defense look like?

[Havis Jr]

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Havis ! where did you find that... I couldnt find a thing.

I saw he went to some college in NJ. I assumed he wrestled. Wrestling in NJ and pennsylvania is huge even at the highschool level. I assumed he wrestled at college, but then I saw this http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Greg_Soto

Specific accomplishments in amateur competition? Undefeated in amateur MMA, district champion and region runner up in wrestling in high school, 2 time state place winner in wrestling in NJ.

When and why did you start training for fighting? I started training with Kurt when I was a teenager. Started fighting at 18 because I wasn't interested in wrestling in college but still loved to compete.

Your right he didn't wrestle in college. I may just stay away.

[Havis Jr]

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Just been looking at this fight. I am actually thinking about Osipzsac.

Riddle was ruling Soto until the upkick. His wrestling is not anywhere near Story's. He was basically a kind of decent high school wrestler in NJ. He wasn't even a State champ or anything. Here is a article that mentions he was a distrct champ and regional runner up (basically a decent high school wrestler, not even a star): http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/ ... t-Saturday
I don't see where he wrestled in college and he was getting taken down a lot by Riddle.
Soto is a brown belt under Pelligrino, who also has a wrestling base. I expect him to have a solid grappling advantage over Nick, if he can get it there.

Riddle did take Nick down several times. He also got swept a few times and mounted a few times, something Soto was not able to do to Riddle. I doubt Nick will sweep Soto just based on his bjj training.

I can't even find a play by play for the Story fight. One judge gave it to Nick... all 3 judges gave Nick at least one round. I really wish I could get SOMETHING on the Story fight. Anything that says he was not taken down at will. I found a poorly translated article that says Nick was pissed after the Story fight and went to work on his wrestling.

Story has the same build as Soto, short and stocky. I think that helps in takedowns. Soto didn't wrestle in college but story didn't wrestle until he got to college. They are both better wretlers then Nick. I think Soto has a pretty big advantage on the ground with his highschool wrestling in Nj and his bjj. I think it all depend on how much better NIck's TDD has gotten and if he can keep it standing.

[edman5555]

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[quote=Havis Jr]

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/ ... t-Saturday[/url]
I don't see where he wrestled in college and he was getting taken down a lot by Riddle.
Soto is a brown belt under Pelligrino, who also has a wrestling base. I expect him to have a solid grappling advantage over Nick, if he can get it there.

Riddle did take Nick down several times. He also got swept a few times and mounted a few times, something Soto was not able to do to Riddle. I doubt Nick will sweep Soto just based on his bjj training.

I can't even find a play by play for the Story fight. One judge gave it to Nick... all 3 judges gave Nick at least one round. I really wish I could get SOMETHING on the Story fight. Anything that says he was not taken down at will. I found a poorly translated article that says Nick was pissed after the Story fight and went to work on his wrestling.

Story has the same build as Soto, short and stocky. I think that helps in takedowns. Soto didn't wrestle in college but story didn't wrestle until he got to college. They are both better wretlers then Nick. I think Soto has a pretty big advantage on the ground with his highschool wrestling in Nj and his bjj. I think it all depend on how much better NIck's TDD has gotten and if he can keep it standing.[/quote:2349w4q4]



I just read some play by plays.

Riddle obviously outwrestled Soto the entire fight. It also looks like he outstruck him on the feet.

Riddle wrestled OZ down in R1, was reversed and mounted by OZ. Riddle takes him down in R3 but gets reversed again. I should probably watch this fight.

I'm leaning towards Oz. According to MMAjunkie and sherdog he beat Riddle every round up until the TKO. Soto does have the Brown belt in bjj though but he might have a much harder time getting it to the ground. I think there might be a big gap in the striking game as well, benefitting Oz.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ This is how I see it as well. Soto should be a little more disciplined and play a little tighter than Riddle, but won't have the brute physicality that Riddle brings. He should have more trouble with the takedowns, though I do think there is a good chance he gets a few until he gets tired. OZ should win the standup. But Soto looks like a little tank, so he is probably pretty explosive too.

I am close to pulling the trigger on OZ.

[edman5555]

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Oz opened an underdog, just like Nik Lentz. Nik still is but not +170

[edman5555]

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What is so special about Andre Winner that he is a favorite to Nik Lentz?

[SPX]

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What is so special about Andre Winner that he is a favorite to Nik Lentz?

His last name is WINNER.

[edman5555]

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I put about 3u on lentz so far. I really wish I got him at +170. I got him at +115 and +110. Not bad.

I have a question for Scientist. Nik lentz was a wrestling state champion in high school in Minnesota. Where does Minnesota compare to the other states?