UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13th

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

Let me explain what that GIF shows. It shows what everyone should already know, and that is that Nates striking is way wild and he leaves himself open. And it has not improved much. He throws wide shots and brings his hands down to his waist at times. IMO, pure striking technique goes to Yushin.

Will Nate just rush him and finish him...maybe. But to be honest, he really only did do that to Kamp. and that was mostly because Kamp. can be a slow starter.

i really think that Nates "Beast" reputation is a bit overdone. The guy has basically feasted on one dimensional wrestlers much like Chuck did.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

What wrestlers are we talking about here? Nate has only fought about a handful of wrestlers at all in his career. Only two of which he fought in the UFC out of his 12 UFC fights.

Will he win? Probably. I'd give it about 65% in Marquardt's favor. -500 is way too high though. I don't think Okami will be able to stick and move on Marquardt like he did on Munoz. Marquardt won't be looking for the takedown after getting peppered with jabs and shit. The only thing I can see presenting major issues for Marquardt here is the fact that Okami is a southpaw but I seriously question the one punch power of Yushin. Yushin could ride out a 3 round decision but I don't see him finishing this fight seeing as Nate is a very tough fighter who is hard to finish.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

What wrestlers are we talking about here? Nate has only fought about a handful of wrestlers at all in his career. Only two of which he fought in the UFC out of his 12 UFC fights.

Will he win? Probably. I'd give it about 65% in Marquardt's favor. -500 is way too high though. I don't think Okami will be able to stick and move on Marquardt like he did on Munoz. Marquardt won't be looking for the takedown after getting peppered with jabs and shit. The only thing I can see presenting major issues for Marquardt here is the fact that Okami is a southpaw but I seriously question the one punch power of Yushin. Yushin could ride out a 3 round decision but I don't see him finishing this fight seeing as Nate is a very tough fighter who is hard to finish.

Almost all of Nates victims in the UFC are ground fighters, maybe not what you consider a wrestler, but for sure, a ground based fighter....Salaverry, Doerkson, Lister, Horn, Leitis, Maia, Paulhares.

Kamp and Silva are really the only good strikers he has faced in the UFC. It sort of boggles my mind a bit that people think Nate has a big or even decent edge in this fight. I see NO evidence to prove it. To me, this fight is pretty much a toss up, so IMO, the dog would be the right play.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I agree that Nate is overrated as a striker, but I take exception to the Liddell comment. Chuck beat up his fair share of strikers. Vitor, Pele, Mezger, Wanderlei, Overeem. Cmon.

[Svino]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

i really think that Nates "Beast" reputation is a bit overdone. The guy has basically feasted on one dimensional wrestlers much like Chuck did.

If you want to see what Marquardt can do against a "one dimensional wrestler", look no further than the Sonnen fight.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I am actually leaning Okami's way now... originally I saw it like 55% for Nate. But if you really get down to it, Nate has only really beaten 1 top 10 guy in the UFC, Maia (ftr, I think it was a fluke and I would take Maia in the rematch). Palhares was able to take Nate right down, even after the Sonnen TD defense debacle.

I think Nate is just flat out overrated. He is good, no doubt, but I just don't see him as the solid # 2 or # 3 that a lot of guys see him as (including me, formerly). I think there is a great chance that Yushin just takes him right down and there is nothing Nate can do to stop it. Yushin is a WAY better "grappler" than Sonnen, so there is almost no chance of a submission. If you haven't seen it, check out Okami's ADCC match with Maia. Maia won, but only because of the ADCC scoring- had it been MMA, Okami would have won a decision. Okami is not going to be subbed.

So on the ground, I think Okami has the edge, because of his takedowns.

Standing, I still give the edge to Nate... but I think it is closer than some think. Nate has a more versatile attack and more power. But Yushin has a strong clinch and more reach. Add in the fact that the takedown is going to in Nate's mind, and I think it is really close standing.

Yushin has more ways to win this. I do think it is going to a decision. I am going to do a decision prop, and maybe Okami by decision as well.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I agree that Nate is overrated as a striker, but I take exception to the Liddell comment. Chuck beat up his fair share of strikers. Vitor, Pele, Mezger, Wanderlei, Overeem. Cmon.

He had to take Overeem down, because he was losing the stand up. Wand met him at the right time, Mezger thought he could strike. But I will give you Vitor, that was a good win against a good striker.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I've only seen the highlights, but didn't he KO Overeem on the feet?

[poopoo333]

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Beating Overeem doesn't really matter anymore, but beating ubereem does.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I've only seen the highlights, but he didn't KO Overeem on the feet?

Yup.



Chuck was getting blasted on the feet, but that's how he always fought. Eat your punches and land his harder shots. He just can't take it anymore.

Saying Wand and Mezger don't count is LOL too.

And yeah Chuck will go for takedowns against strikers because he's an MMA fighter. Just like Nate is and will. He shot in on Silva immediately. Anyways I just think it was a bad comparison.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

I've only seen the highlights, but he didn't KO Overeem on the feet?

Yup.



Chuck was getting blasted on the feet, but that's how he always fought. Eat your punches and land his harder shots. He just can't take it anymore.

Saying Wand and Mezger don't count is LOL too.

And yeah Chuck will go for takedowns against strikers because he's an MMA fighter. Just like Nate is and will. He shot in on Silva immediately. Anyways I just think it was a bad comparison.

Still think it is a fair comparison. Not like I am saying these two fighters suck. Just pointing out that alot of their impressive wins happen to come against ground fighters. Once again, i am not saying that these fighters are not great fighters. This seems to happen when something is said about a fighter that someone really likes. I think Chuck was an exceptional fighter, BUT, I also believe that he happened to be that fighter at a time that benefited him.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

^^^^^^^^^^^ Why are you Nancy's arguing about things that have nothing to do with this event? Since when is Overeem and Liddell on this card?


I swear ................

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

The funny thing is that GIF actually shows that Chuck was really not that great of a striker. His form is actually very bad. Did he get the job done in his era...Yes. But, in the current state of MMA a guy throwing punches like he did back then never gets close to a title.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

^^^^^^^^^^^ Why are you Nancy's arguing about things that have nothing to do with this event? Since when is Overeem and Liddell on this card?


I swear ................

Just a friendly conversation. There you go trying to stir up shit.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 122 Germany to air for free on Spike on November 13

There you go trying to stir up shit.

Sorry my bad.....

I guess trying to get everyone back on topic is stirring shit up