UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

So Makdeessi trains under GSP, but his wrestling sucks?

I don't think GSP trains anyone. From what I read, he trains with Zahabi, who also trains GSP but mostly for striking.

Even if he did train exactly the way GSP trained, it doesn't mean his wrestling would be good.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I read he is GSP's student. If that is the case, I doubt he and GSP train flashy kicks in the mirror all day together.

Just wondering if this is another case of a new guy(Oliveira) being discounted. Everyone in here seemed to think Efrain was much better than Oliveira standing before they fought.

Has anyone actually seen him fight?

And if he trains the exact way GSP trains, at least his wrestling would be fresh and most certainly competant...which is all it would have to be to beat Audinwood.

[sbjj]

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Thinking about a stevenson/dan miller parlay...I think they both win but are too expensive at the current lines.

I imagine Miller will win but honestly I am just not that impressed with him. I'm not sure why. I admit he may fall victim to quality of competition. Seeing him get his ass kicked three times in a row against Sonnen (R-Or), Maia, and Bisping probably made an impact on me . . . but I have the mental faculties to understand that Doerksen is no Sonnen (R-Or), Maia or Bisping.

Then again, except for a gassed out Tom Lawlor, I suppose Doerksen doesn't have any meaningful recent wins. He's lost to CB, J-Mac, Ed Herman, and Paul Filho.

So yeah, I guess Miller will win. I would definitely be hesitant to bet him at that line, though. Although I will say looking up his record on Wiki and seeing "Ninja Choke" as the method by which he subbed John Salter is pretty awesome.

P.S. GSP/Stevenson could make a solid parlay. You should be able to get them together at about -160.

That might be the way to go this event SPX. Just take two fighters(with a good cance of winning) and parlay them.

I was actually thinking of a GSP-Amir Khan parlay. But GSP-Stevenson sounds good also.

[poopoo333]

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Scientist is right, he is a student of Zahabi.

[sbjj]

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Scientist is right, he is a student of Zahabi.

Yea, just read a bunch on him. Sounds like he has not been training wrestling for long at all. Has a hell of a stand up game from what I read.

Gotta watch some vids. Because I am not really all that impressed with Mr. Awesome.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

"All over mccorkle. props for 1st rd. and ko. He is built to GnP Struve. He began his career in jiujitsu, and has competed in adcc trials, winning twice. Coupled with his strength, it should keep him safe from subs long enough to pound struve. "

Just saw this on the MMA Junkie forum. I had no idea about the ADCC trials, but even if that is true, he certainly did not show a great grappling prowess in his fights at the smaller shows.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

ADCC trials are no big deal. Don't worry too much.

We had 2 guys win the ADCC trials with under 3 years experience. ADCC trials is usually a small tourney, it is the equivalent of winning a local tourney. Also the weight classes are unlimited IIRC, so he could have had a 100 pound weight advantage. At HW, he moght have only had to win 1 match to be the trials champion.

That said, I think GNP is his path to victory, as Struve may have trouble slapping on that triangle. On the flip side, big guys sometimes think they are immune to triangles because they are so wide. But Struve is one of the few HWs that has the legs to triangle another HW. Struve did take some lumps from Morcraft in his last fight though. Hopefully, he can keep it standing. But yeah, after recalling that Struve got lumped up by Morecraft, that's why I dumped that bet in my parlay.

[poopoo333]

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Alves @177 13 hours ago.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I'm close to pulling the trigger on several bets, but not quite there yet. Thinking seriously about:

Stevenson
Alves
Almeida
Hazelett

But for now all I've got is GSP and something small on Doerksen.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I'm close to pulling the trigger on several bets, but not quite there yet. Thinking seriously about:

Stevenson
Alves
Almeida
Hazelett

But for now all I've got is GSP and something small on Doerksen.

I think Stevenson and Alves are the best bets there in terms of winning. The Almeida fight is making me nervous but I think that is just because of Scientist, before his hedging in the bets thread I was confident. I think Hazelett is worth a bet in + odds. Hazelett will be bigger and longer (umm no homo?), has the stand up advantage imo, and has the better guard. Bocek showed decent TDs and top control against Jim Miller, but I think Bocek will be weary of Hazelett's guard, Also, since it is two grapplers, it may play out on the feet a bit more, and on the feet I think Hazelett does better. Hazelett is really aggressive on the feet and I don't think he worries about being taken down as a result because he is comfortable. The only factor here is that Hazelett hasn't cut to 155 since 2007 so I am not sure if that is going to effect him.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ Almeida is going to win, don't sweat it. I am just being a puss

[SPX]

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The only fight we really have to go on for Hazelett at LW is the Saraiva fight. Saraiva ended up going 0-3 in the UFC and obviously just wasn't up to the level, but I think the fight's important in that Hazelett showed he knows how to use his height and length against shorter, smaller opponents.

Also, when Hazelett loses it seems to be because he gets blasted by a powerful striker with KO power and I don't think Bocek's gonna be able to bring that kind of heat.

So basically what I'm saying is 1u on Hazelett to win 1u.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I agree, I kind of talked myself into that bet when writing that post

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ Don't be surprised if Bocek outgrapples Hazelett. I think Hazelett has the striking edge with his reach, and Bocek has not exactly set the world on fire with his grappling, but he is a pretty good grappler, the best grappler Hazelett has faced in the UFC outside of Koscheck.

And in the pre-ufc days, Hazelett lost to superior grapplers Junior Assuncao and Tony DeSousa. He also took a split decision from Rhalan Gracie (who has never won a fight and I have to assume is a pure grappler).

Just saying, the subs he has pulled off has not been against very good grapplers. Hazelett is probably at least as good as Bocek on the ground though and should have the striking edge. I wouldn't be shocked to see Bocek try to win a GNP decision.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Just saying, the subs he has pulled off has not been against very good grapplers.

No love for the Barncat?