UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Think I am gonna ride with you on Almeida.

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Considering Almeida.
.4u on Doerksen @ +275

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

1.85u on the big dog

[poopoo333]

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Think I am gonna ride with you on Almeida.

Yeah I like the line.

As for Bongfeldt, I could not find much on him, but he has fought mostly at welterweight his entire career and Natal is a MW. Bongfeldt looks like a sub guy by his record, but Natal is probably better on the ground. When looking at this fight the other day, I figured Natal would open at a high line, but I am reluctant on betting him because the lack of stuff I found on Bongfeldt. But Bongfeldt hasn't fought since September 2009....he was a late replacement for Macdonald. He is just a local Canadian guy they had to find for a late replacement. Natal will win imo

[poopoo333]

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I just talked myself into it. 2u Natal

[MMA_scientist]

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I was responding to your "weak link" comment. I think that parlay will hit. The most likely prop in that parlay to hit is Miller by sub, but only because I don't know how Oliveira's sub defense is (assuming it is good), and Miller is a black belt/NCAA div 1 wrestler and Oliveira is a brown belt.

Oliveira is a black belt, at leats he had one around his neck after one of his UFC fights. I thought of that same issue, so I looked at Oliveira's opponents in Brazil. He fought Alexandre Bezzera, who is very good submission guy and somewhat decorated at lower levels. Oliveira is also a purple belt mundials champ. You don't get that far even at purple without having some amazing submission defense. For reference, Ben Askren just entered Pan Ams at purple belt like last month, and he lost the first round.

Miller is tough and has a solid submission set, but he doesn't have the super slick submission game.

[poopoo333]

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Glad I finally got bookmaker.

[poopoo333]

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God damnit, Almeida is -185 now

[MMA_scientist]

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The Hughes loss is going to keep that line low. That is why I am waiting for it to open at other books before I do it, if I do it.

I did a quick search on Bongfeldt. That should be a win for Natal, but Natal is not a wizard on the mat, and he has been KO'd several times (including once by Eduardo Telles, who is one of my favorite grapplers, but is not a striker at all... would be like getting KO'd by Rani Yahya or something).

[poopoo333]

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I think all of my plays are locked in for this card right now.

I took Audinwood because he is more of a grappler. His opponent Makdessi is a flashy kickboxer from the Canadian circuit. 90% of the time I lean towards the grappler in this situation.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ you know my theory on that. But I have to be convinced Audinwood is coming to grapple... I am going to look into that one too.

[MMA_scientist]

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Oliveira is a black belt, at leats he had one around his neck after one of his UFC fights

you're right, it was a brown belt.

[MMA_scientist]

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FYI, Oliveira telling it like it is: http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/09/13/c ... -is-above/

Speaking with MMA Fighting last week, Oliveira (13-0) said he didn't bring in any wrestling-oriented sparring partners to mimic Escudero's style, mainly because he doesn't feel that he needs to. That's because in a head-to-head competition, according to Oliveira, jiu-jitsu is simply the superior ground fighting style.

"We have no wrestlers helping, because the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is better for the ground game," Oliveira said via an interpreter. "It's above the wrestling. I'm just training normally, nothing special."

Might make a difference in this fight... He might at least want to train against some wrestlers...

[SPX]

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Might make a difference in this fight... He might at least want to train against some wrestlers...

Yeah. He's fighting int he UFC lightweight division. He might end up regretting that decision.

[Vandelay]

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Miller vs Olivera

At first I was planning on betting on Miller, but after watching previous fights for both of these fighters, I will probably stay away. Miller is a UFC veteran with alot of fights under his belt. He is a solid fighter but thats it. He hasn't fought the best competition. He telegraphs most of his strikes, has mediocre takedown d, below avg power, good jui jitsu, and a good chin. Olivera has flashy, aggresive striking, good kicks, good bjj, and good wrestling. However, he is physically weak and I feel he is unlikely to sub miller unless he hurts him standing. Escudero and Elkins? or whoever his othe opponent was have little to no sub defense. I see ways each fighter can win. I may look to bet the over 2.5 rds due to neither fighter possessing ko power and the bjj canceling each other out. Only reason im hesistant is due to the fact olivera pushes a solid pace and is pretty aggresive so someone may gas out.