Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Did his striking get any better?

Doubtful... But at least he is tall.

He doesn't give a shit about MMA, he just does it as a hobby. He is rich and doesn't feel he needs to prove anything. He just does it to spread bjj and show that it is still the key to fighting.

That said, he said he has been working on his striking. But Kyle is tall too and hits hard. Roger will get lit up standing. Roger only needs one takedown though, Kyle will not survive more than 30 seconds on the mat. I think it took him about 35 seconds to tap out Randleman once he finally got it down. As washed up as Randleman is, he is still one the better wrestlers to compete in MMA, and a much better grappler than Kyle, IMO.

[Ludo]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Did his striking get any better?

Doubtful... But at least he is tall.

He doesn't give a shit about MMA, he just does it as a hobby. He is rich and doesn't feel he needs to prove anything. He just does it to spread bjj and show that it is still the key to fighting.

That said, he said he has been working on his striking. But Kyle is tall too and hits hard. Roger will get lit up standing. Roger only needs one takedown though, Kyle will not survive more than 30 seconds on the mat. I think it took him about 35 seconds to tap out Randleman once he finally got it down. As washed up as Randleman is, he is still one the better wrestlers to compete in MMA, and a much better grappler than Kyle, IMO.

It was a bit longer than 35 seconds but I get your point. My only issue is can Roger snag a takedown without telegraphing the hell out of it?

[Ludo]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Also, is it Me or does Roger kind of look like Gabriel Gonzaga in that picture?

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

^^ those brazilians all look the same to me.

Roger is actually pretty good at takedowns... Taking down Randleman is going to be difficult for any one. I don't remeber what Kyle's takedown defense is like though.

here is the randleman fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IShMzv5s ... re=related

The knock down comes @ 1:30, already in mount @ 1:34, never loses mount, but you are right, it takes him about 2 minutes to get the tap, and he looks like he forgot he could punch... he hardly throws a shot once it goes down.

Roger bjj highlight, starts off for about 30 seconds of nothing but his judo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIk8XckFH3c

He is a judo bb, but I could see how his TD style would fail to translate... lots of trips.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Herschel Walker will meet Scott Carson in a featured heavyweight bout at Strikeforce "Henderson vs. Babalu" on Dec. 4 at the Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Mo., the promotion's CEO Scott Coker confirmed to ESPN.com on Friday.

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[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Herschel Walker off Dec. 4 @Strikeforce card after a deep cut under his left eye required multiple stitches after training Monday at AKA.

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[zY|]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

LOL consecutive posts.

[edman5555]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

I am thinking about taking Hendo, Paul Daley, and I was thinking about Lindland. I don't know if he can deal with Lawlers strikes though, Lawler can wrestle ok.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Lawler will KO Lindland IMO. Lindland is 40 years old and has suprisingly shitty takedowns for being one of the most decorated wrestlers ever to compete in MMA. Lawler also has underrated takedown defense... Shields had to jump guard on him. My guess is that this is one ugly clinch fest. Lindland could concievably win though by clinching the hell out of Lawler with the occasional takedown.

[poopoo333]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Overeem out.

Mike Kyle in.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Was Overeem on this card? Who was he fighting? Also, damn... I guess that means Kyle won't be getting choked out in January by Roger

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

^^ NM. Valentijn Overeem... Still, should be a win for Silva IMO.

I mean, they couldn't find a HW to fight Silva? Kyle is 205er and Silva is called Bigfoot for a reason...

[edman5555]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Yeah I see what your saying about Lindland. His latest losses have been against good guys though, Belfort, Q jackson, Jacare, and Fedor. Other than that he hasn't had a loss since 2004 but no real big wins either. I remember watching the Kevin Casey fight(his most recent) thinking to myself that he wasn't doing that great against a guy who wasn't very good. I haven't seen a lot of Lindland fights but it is hard to guage how good he is just looking at his record. His only losses are to top calibre guys.

Lawler does seem like a bad stylistic matchup though, you are correct. He did pretty shitty against Renato Sobral though, he looked like he was afraid to engage. Maybe because he didn't want to end up on the ground with a guy that could def sub him. That one is too hard to tell.

What do you think about Hendo-Sobral?

As far as Daley/Smith goes I think Daley should wreck him. BTW this fight is at 170 pounds, Scott normally fights at 185. He claims it is an easy cut for him though. Also, Scott Smith has a wrestling background if you didn't know. He just never uses it..I think he was a junior college wrestler, his best was placing 4th in california. Pretty decent but I think Daley has pretty good takedown D. He is strong as hell and explosive. If he has a good line I will probably be on him but I think he will be a big fav.

Hendo might have a decent line on him though, hopefully. I am a little worried about Sobral subbing him though, he is pretty crafty. Hendo did last 5 rounds on the ground with Shields though. It's tough to call but I think Hendo should win. I don't see him getting knocked out by Sobral, he doesnt hit hard. Hendo should be able to control the fight with strikes/clinching/takedowns.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Edman,

Yeah, I don't know about Lindland, but just watching his fights, even his wins, he doesn't look very good lately. My feeling is that Lawler is better at this point and will let his hands go more... but I am not betting it and I wouldn't be surprised if Lindland gets it done.

I think Henderson should win by forcing a standup fight. I wouldn't gauge his submission defense by Shields though... Shields is not really a submission machine, Sobral is more threatening IMO. Babalue is dangerous everywhere (Babalu also beat Frank Mir in a grappling match not too long ago) and definitely has better finishing skills than Shields IMO. Worth noting is that Babalu has never been out grappled by the many wrestlers he has faced, including stud wrestlers Sonnen, Wiuff, Whitehead, and Van Arsdale. He flat out trashed Van Arsdale (who is a very good wrestler). Babalu has always been beaten on strikes. Henderson is still a better striker IMO. But if Babalu gets it down somehow, I wouldn't be surprised by a submission there either.

I do think Bigfoot is going to whomp Kyle though, hopefully the line is not horrible.

[edman5555]

Re: Strikeforce St. Louis Dec. 4th

Frank Mir isn't really that decorated in BJJ. He's known as the submission guy in MMA and he is good and all...but I don't think he is a world beater on the mat. Babalu def has good finishing skills, you are right about that.

I am checking out the records of the guys you mentioned. Sonnen is a sub magnet, Arsdale has 4 losses by sub out of 5 total losses in 13 fights. Though i am finding he competed in ADCC so that might be a good sub win. Yeah I would have to say he poses some threats to Hendo. I doubt the line will be that great for Dan anyways. He will probably open a decent favorite.