UFC on Versus 3 March 3rd

[trotterz]

I think that the gameplan also does a difference. A better exemple of it could be Melvin Guillard. Since he joined jackson's camp, he is not the same fighter at all. Don't know if it's because of the gameplans or because of the training partners, maybe a combination of the 2, but he is fighting way better,beeing more cautious and it pays off, he never lost since joining that camp.

[MMA_scientist]

For every Guillard at Jackson's there is a Leonard Garcia or Keith Jardine. I can imagine Jackson giving Garcia his gameplan... "ok, just go out and throw wild bombs the entire time. You don't need to connect, just start windmilling punches and you will win a decision."

I see it more like an NCAA program. They are good because they have managed to attract talent. Guys will improve there by playing with other talented guys and getting instruction too. But I really don't buy the theory that Jackson is somehow able to formulate magic gameplans that help guys win. I attribute Guillard's success to being in a camp, any camp. He was a nomad before, just out there snorting coke and showing up to fight. He has gotten serious and it has shown, but I don't really think it was Jackson's gameplans that did it. More that he just decided to start applying himself and had better sparring partners.

[trotterz]

excellent point with garcia, there is absolutely no gameplan in his fights

[poopoo333]

Also, Diego's last three fights involve him getting brutalized by Penn, soundly defeated by Hathaway, and winning a clear--but still relatively close--decision against Paulo Thiago.

I don't agree the decision was close. The first round was close, and Diego clearly won rounds 2 and 3. I think one of those rounds was even scored 10-8

[SPX]

I can imagine Jackson giving Garcia his gameplan... "ok, just go out and throw wild bombs the entire time. You don't need to connect, just start windmilling punches and you will win a decision."

LOL

I have wondered about this myself. I always have to think that he is given some better advice than this, but he does the same thing in every fight. Why? Is it because he ignores whatever the plan is from the time the bell sounds, or is it because that IS the plan?

[SPX]

I don't agree the decision was close. The first round was close, and Diego clearly won rounds 2 and 3. I think one of those rounds was even scored 10-8

Maybe I need to go back and watch it again. I admit my memory is hazy.

I don't remember any round that was worthy of being a 10-8, though.

[MMA_scientist]

LOL

I have wondered about this myself. I always have to think that he is given some better advice than this, but he does the same thing in every fight. Why? Is it because he ignores whatever the plan is from the time the bell sounds, or is it because that IS the plan?

I have heard Jackson say that he tries to let the fighters be who they are, he doesn't try to make them into something they are not. I guess it works for Garcia, he doesn't have the tools to be champion, but at least he can win fight of the night bonuses this way. I can imagine him sitting down with the fighters like a financial planner. "First we need to know what your goals are..." Maybe Garcia's goal is not be good, but just to put a show and maybe pick up a bonus here an there. In all fairness, if he fought more intelligently, his record would probably be the same, and he would probably be out of the UFC because he really is not very good or memorable aside from his wild windmilling.

[SPX]

In all fairness, if he fought more intelligently, his record would probably be the same, and he would probably be out of the UFC because he really is not very good or memorable aside from his wild windmilling.

This is probably true. Sometimes fighters just don't have the tools to be great. It doesn't matter who they train with or what style they go with.

I also think that some fighters make unorthodox styles work, and that's probably what works best for them. I've heard people criticize Machida because he doesn't fight like a kickboxer, but if he did, would he be any better than he already is? Probably not. And it may be that his style is the reason that he has gotten as far as he has.

[Svino]

Maybe Garcia's goal is not be good, but just to put a show and maybe pick up a bonus here an there. In all fairness, if he fought more intelligently, his record would probably be the same, and he would probably be out of the UFC because he really is not very good or memorable aside from his wild windmilling.

Yeah, it's like we were talking about in the other thread. The way the UFC is run, it's like there are two different paths you can take to success: you can focus on winning matches (and maybe being boring), or you can focus on being exciting / outrageous and sucking up to Dana.

[zY|]

Oh shit, there's a fight on fuckin thursday.

[edman5555]

In the hathaway fight Diego went in for a takedown and got kneed in the face. He was on queer street from that point on. The same thing happened to him in the BJ fight. Obv there is a whole other issue with Diego constantly getting kneed in the face but you can't help but wonder if he would have done better against them had he not gotten caught in the first 2 minutes of those fights.

Also, Kampann gets taken down a decent amount. Condit got him down, Shields got him down and def would have done a better job of it if he didn't gas.

I really don't know who wins this. I feel like Diego is going to take him down to win a decision but Kampmann is very talented any he has a great guillotine.

[edman5555]

Diego commits to takedowns BTW. He powers through.

[edman5555]

I would think the standup edge will def be going to kampmann. What do you guys think his chances are of subbing Diego?

[trotterz]

I would think the standup edge will def be going to kampmann. What do you guys think his chances are of subbing Diego?

I see no way at all that kampmann could beat diego by submission. Diego's defense to submission is just too good. In the same way as mayhem miller. He fought far better grappler than kampmann and never got submitted.
Have you even seen him in the countdown shows for his older fights? he is training really bad to not get submitted. I remeber seeing him putting himself in a rear naked choke situation with a rope in his neck, and pulling on it the hardest he could and the longest too, just so he could resist the more possible in that situation.

I think that kampmann could win that fight, but if he does, it won't be by submission

[MMA_scientist]

Kampann will not be subbing Diego.