2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[SPX]

Vera is a can, bring back Jardine.

Yo.

[Mr. IWS]

Props to Dana for bringing Vera back.

[SPX]

Watching UFC 4.

[Mr. IWS]

Watching UFC 4.

[poopoo333]

The latest fight in talks for the (April 9th) card pits former light heavyweight champion Gegard Mousasi against multiple time grappling champion Roger Gracie.
While no bout agreements have been issued, sources have indicated to MMAWeekly.com that the fighters have at least verbally agreed to the match-up at this point.

[MMA_scientist]

The latest fight in talks for the (April 9th) card pits former light heavyweight champion Gegard Mousasi against multiple time grappling champion Roger Gracie.
While no bout agreements have been issued, sources have indicated to MMAWeekly.com that the fighters have at least verbally agreed to the match-up at this point.

That is insane, but finally a non-wrestler for Roger. That would be a great test for both guys. Mousasi says he has been working on his wrestling, and Roger needs to face a striker, he never has.

[edman5555]

Roger is really taking the bull by the horns. I wouldn't be suprised to see him win though. He will be very hard to beat IMO. Even if Gegard can stun him how is he going to follow him down to the ground?

[MMA_scientist]

Well Mousasi did beat Jacare. But it was a fluke win IMO. Jacare was taking it to him before that. Over on BE, they are talking like Roger is in over his head... I think Roger is finally getting a matchup that favors his style and I think he will win fairly easily. Mousasi has not shown that he can stop takedowns, and he sure as hell isn't going to sub Roger from his back. Roger's guard passing is ridiculous. He is not the biggest sub threat from his back, but he doesn't need to be because of his sweeps and closed guard.

[edman5555]

Yeah the thing that gets me about him is this: Even if you can rock him standing, then what? Unless he is close to being out anyone who jumps on him is risking getting subbed by just letting him get ahold of him.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, but being realistic... he is not that much better than Maia or Jacare. Jacare did beat him once (on a takedown, even though Roger broke Jacare's arm, Jacare hung in there and won on points). Xande Ribiero beat him also a couple years ago, legitimately. Xande caught him in a triangle, Roger escaped, but it was close. The things is, Roger subbed both of them though. As much as wish it were so, he is not a super-human submission machine. There are guys that will survive with him on the mat for a few minutes. With 5 minutes rounds, I am sure there are a lot guys who will be able to survive without being submitted, especially if Roger has to start from bottom. Not many though, and I don't think Mousasi is one of them.

[edman5555]

When I looked up his record on wikipedia it showed him subbing a lot of guys. If he can sub the best guys in the world I figure he will have his way with most mma fighters. But yeah, obv not Jacare.

[Svino]

I agree, this is a good matchup for Gracie and he should be able to win it as long as he doesn't get clocked Marquardt / Maia style.

[MMA_scientist]

When I looked up his record on wikipedia it showed him subbing a lot of guys. If he can sub the best guys in the world I figure he will have his way with most mma fighters. But yeah, obv not Jacare.

Well he has subbed almost every single guy he has grappled in the last 5 years. But the rounds are longer and they are there to grapple. It is a lot harder when the other guy might stand up. It happens in bjj too (standing up) but not nearly as much as mma. But Roger did sub Jacare, twice if you count the time Jacare didn't tap. 90% of the mma fighters are dead in the water if it goes down. But you have to remember, the unified rules exist almost entirely to screw bjj practioners. At most, Roger gets 4.5 minutes to work, and that is if he went out and hit a takedown right away, which he really doesn't do. He is realistically looking at a max of 4 minutes to submit a top 15 in the world fighter. I find it totally plausible that some of these guys can survive 4 minutes with him, where they are not really trying to engage him, just defend. But still, most guys are going to get subbed inside of a couple minutes.

[edman5555]

Well he has subbed almost every single guy he has grappled in the last 5 years. But the rounds are longer and they are there to grapple. It is a lot harder when the other guy might stand up. It happens in bjj too (standing up) but not nearly as much as mma. But Roger did sub Jacare, twice if you count the time Jacare didn't tap. 90% of the mma fighters are dead in the water if it goes down. But you have to remember, the unified rules exist almost entirely to screw bjj practioners. At most, Roger gets 4.5 minutes to work, and that is if he went out and hit a takedown right away, which he really doesn't do. He is realistically looking at a max of 4 minutes to submit a top 15 in the world fighter. I find it totally plausible that some of these guys can survive 4 minutes with him, where they are not really trying to engage him, just defend. But still, most guys are going to get subbed inside of a couple minutes.

Yeah that is an intesting way to look at it. All the ref really does is break fights up when they are standing or against the cage. It is a killer for BJJ. If it wasn't for that I think we would see BJJ dominate way more.

[MMA_scientist]

I agree, this is a good matchup for Gracie and he should be able to win it as long as he doesn't get clocked Marquardt / Maia style.

Agree, the kind of guy to beat him is a someone with really good takedown defense and big power. So far he has fought a lot of guys with good takedown defense, but no one with real striking. Now he is fighting a good striker, but not great takedown defense. Luckily, there aren't that many guys that possess the Liddell type skillset of KO power and great takedown defense.