2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Mr. IWS]

The fact is that betting progressions DO work. The reason they ultimately fail is because of table limits. If you took away table limits, most of them would work.

I do it in baseball, and it worked good for the me the last two years, but I did hit a limit with my guy for the first time. So it cost me a good chunk of change and set me back for a couple months.

I have a back up plan for that now though.

[MMA_scientist]

Oh ok. Do you just stick to the pass line or do you play all the other stuff too?

You can play any of these progressions with any bet. You would just have to adjust it. I used pass line as an example because it is close to 50/50. But you could bet the 0 on the roulette table and play the same progression. You would get 35 spins at 1u (because it pays 35:1), if you did not hit, you would go to 2u and so on. If you wanted to play the single roll bets on the craps table like a hard 8 or something, you would just have to adjust the progression for the pay out.

There are a lot of negative progressions out there, the traditional martingale being the simplest. There is one called "Oscar's Grind" that will keep you in the game for a long time, and supposedly the guy, Oscar, made a living at craps with it, back before the table limits were so low.

[MMA_scientist]

I've read up on the Ace/5. The problem is that it's just too weak. Supposedly if it's coupled with comp counting then you can at least show a profit by getting free TVs and shit like that, but I'd rather win cash. Still though, the Ace/5 is interesting, and in a single deck game with favorable rules, it DOES show a mathematical expectation of a profit over the long run.

I learned the KO count at one point, which is fairly easy. I could do it in a controlled environment (i.e. in my living room with a friend who dealt slowly enough for me to actually work the system), but I know I could never actually do it in the casino.

Interestingly enough one effective pre-card-counting method was called "casing the aces." This only works on single deck where they don't shuffle too early. But it all goes back to this one guy--can't remember his name--who kept winning and the casinos had no idea how. Eventually he revealed that what he would do is watch the deck and if no Aces had been dealt halfway through the deck then he would up his bet in anticipation of a blackjack. (Or something like that.)

I have played around with counting some, and even tried it a few times live. To me, it is just more work than actual work, and just a couple of errors ruins the whole thing. But when I do play, I will passively "count" just by trying to mentally gauge when the count would be out of balance. I just sort of watch for a dry spell of high cards. I don't pretend I have an edge, which is why I only play while I am waiting to be seated in the poker room.

[MMA_scientist]

Poopoo, don't get sucked into this world. It is interesting from a money management standpoint, but these progressions will wipe your bankroll out a lot faster than flat betting. You cannot beat the table games with progressive betting, don't try it. It could be useful in mma betting though to dig out of a hole if you want to roll the dice some. It is harder to do in mma because the payout is not 1:1. But my 2011 parlay is essentially a positive progression scheme.

[Mr. IWS]

I dont even..........

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh02G55oP8lD7G8WOI

[Luke]

Biased wheels, sector tracking. . .

That's a nice way to think but have you actually tried it and won money, I'd guess no.

Not to be mean(insert no offense speech) but all these table "systems" are a load of crap,if there were any system that would make you money you'd never know about it because whoever invented it wouldn't be telling a sole.

I know you'll roll your eyes and still think that pot of gold is at the end of the rainbow but the truth is you should be spending more time on football,boxing,or mma because this stuff will never make you any decent amount of money.

[Luke]

I do it in baseball, and it worked good for the me the last two years, but I did hit a limit with my guy for the first time. So it cost me a good chunk of change and set me back for a couple months.

I have a back up plan for that now though.

I really think progressions involving sports work better than table games because you have real people knowing they've lost "X" amount of games in a row so they have motivation. With a roulette wheel just because zero hasnt came up 500 times in a row does not mean the next spin has anymore of a chance of hitting zero,its still the exact same odds as the previous .

[SPX]

I have played around with counting some, and even tried it a few times live. To me, it is just more work than actual work, and just a couple of errors ruins the whole thing.

That's how I feel about it. Too much work for little reward. The thing about counting is that in order to make decent money doing it you not only have to be good and do it a lot, but you also need a pretty big bankroll so you can make big bets with which to exploit your tiny edge.

But when I do play, I will passively "count" just by trying to mentally gauge when the count would be out of balance. I just sort of watch for a dry spell of high cards. I don't pretend I have an edge, which is why I only play while I am waiting to be seated in the poker room.

I've done this. It does seem that, generally speaking, 10s are fairly evenly distributed so if there was just a wave of low cards in the last round it makes sense that there might be more high cards than usual in the next. I think this works better in single and double-deck than the shoe game, though.

[SPX]

I have a back up plan for that now though.

Oh? What is it?

[Mr. IWS]

Oh? What is it?

I just got my friend to put in the balance of the bet I need to recoup my losses.

[SPX]

[Luke]

Someone sent me this and I can't stop laughing, if no one else thinks its funny.......oh well

[Mr. IWS]

reeped^^^^^^^

[edman5555]

that jet man thing is possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen.

[edman5555]

Kurt angle is supposedly in talks with the ufc.