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  • poopoo333
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    • Jan 2010
    • 18302

    Also..I am kind of worried Pierson is going to come in way improved and better conditioned. I guess he is training full time now with a real camp, while Ellenberger took this fight a week ago. BUT this article kind of makes me less worried about the short notice thing:

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    • Luke
      10 year vet
      • Oct 2006
      • 30060

      Originally posted by SPX
      This is how I see it as well. Shields is not some invincible wrestling machine. Even without mentioning the end-of-the-round choke, Mayhem was able to take a couple of rounds off Shields when they fought.



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      What rds were those? I just watched that fight recently and dont remember giving a single rd to Mayhem
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      • Luke
        10 year vet
        • Oct 2006
        • 30060

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        Also..I am kind of worried Pierson is going to come in way improved and better conditioned. I guess he is training full time now with a real camp, while Ellenberger took this fight a week ago. BUT this article kind of makes me less worried about the short notice thing:

        http://mmajunkie.com/news/23269/for-...c-129-bout.mma

        Hasnt Ellenberger gassed a bunch of times already?
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        • MMA_scientist
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 9857

          Originally posted by sbjj
          Menjivar will beat Valencia rather easily.
          Here is my concern on that fight, Menjivar's takedown defense is not good and Valencia is a very good wrestler. He doesn't always use it, but he can probably take Ivan down any time he wants. Pickett put him down any time he was in trouble. Valencia has really only lost to very good fighters. The same is true for Menjivar though... I also favor Ivan because he has better finishing ability, but I think it is close. I would be surprised if he is more than -170
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          • Johnny Unreliable
            Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 98

            Not really no. If I remember correctly he took his first UFC fight with condit on short notice and nearly beat him and he had pretty good gas in that fight. Maybe it's the fact that I've made $$$ off his last three wins but he seems to continually not get the respect he deserves. That said I don't know enough about pierson so I might stay away.

            As far as Shields Miller I gave the first round to miller who finished strong. Had two huge takedowns and finished the round on top. I think Shields had a bit more control as Miller didn't take over until around 2 mins left or so but I think that was a clear miller round. I don't remember the rest of the rounds enough though. Going to rewatch it. I definitely remember being suprised by Miller being able to take jake down. Given how GSP dismantled Miller and Shields struggled with him its hard not to dump on GSP.

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            • SPX
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 23875

              Originally posted by Luke
              What rds were those? I just watched that fight recently and dont remember giving a single rd to Mayhem
              Been a while since I've seen the fight, but of the three Sherdog judges one gave Miller the first round and all three gave Miller the third.

              Also, the official scores were 48-47, 49-46 and 49-46 so apparently the official judges also agreed that Shields did not win every round.
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              • Johnny Unreliable
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                • Mar 2010
                • 98

                Alright just rewatched Miller vs Shields.

                Miller won round one with more damage and 2 big takedowns though you could make a possible argument for Shields from control. It was relatively close. The last two minutes were all miller which is why I gave him the round.
                Second was a blowout for Shields.
                Third had the near finish for Miller, which is one of the only reasons to give him the round. I scored it 10 9 for shields but miller did the only damage with the choke for the most part.
                Fourth and Fifth were clear shields rounds.

                Miller got several takedowns. Most notably a big double leg slam and a suplex on Shields in the first. The thing I really took away from the fight is Shields has a great double leg to single leg transition. Miller couldn't seem to stay on his feet when Shields would switch to the single leg. Shields also has some of the worst GNP in the sport. He's definitely a john fitch style grinder who lacks explosiveness. Considering this fight was in late 2009 it really has given me more confidence in GSP's ability to win the fight. It's great he's training with Sonnen but in 2 years he's going to go from getting slammed by Mayhem to taking GSP down at will? Shields was getting tagged on the feet and didn't land one single good punch or kick on the feet that I saw, Miller just lacked the wrestling to make it more competitive of a fight.

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                • SPX
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 23875

                  Originally posted by Johnny Unreliable
                  Third had the near finish for Miller, which is one of the only reasons to give him the round. I scored it 10 9 for shields but miller did the only damage with the choke for the most part.
                  I think Miller deserved to win the third if for no other reason that if hadn't been for what was basically a technicality (he was about 10 seconds too late getting that choke locked in) he would've won the whole fight, and not just won but stopped Shields, and not just stopped him beat him at his own game by subbing him!
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                  • Johnny Unreliable
                    Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 98

                    I'm seriously debating now dumping the max bet for my book on GSP. It would be 1/3rd of my bankroll but Shields did not look good against Miller that's for sure. He's got a great passing game and good control but his standup is awful and his defensive wrestling isn't all that great. Miller is a gamer though. Another thing I took away is it's not guaranteed insta death if GSP does get taken down and his guard passed. Miller survived on the ground without taking much damage at all and was mounted, back mounted and in side control for a good portion of the fight. I think unless GSP panics if Shields takes his back and gives up his neck he's going to tear through shields. Outside of that or locking up a guillotine GSP wins 90% of the time.

                    Thats my breakdown anyways.

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                    • Johnny Unreliable
                      Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 98

                      Originally posted by SPX
                      I think Miller deserved to win the third if for no other reason that if hadn't been for what was basically a technicality (he was about 10 seconds too late getting that choke locked in) he would've won the whole fight, and not just won but stopped Shields, and not just stopped him beat him at his own game by subbing him!
                      Yeah thats definitely true. My 10 9 was more based on how a lot of the judges would score it as Shields did control the majority of the round but damage wise you got to give it to Miller.

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                      • Luke
                        10 year vet
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30060

                        Originally posted by Johnny Unreliable
                        Alright just rewatched Miller vs Shields.

                        Miller won round one with more damage and 2 big takedowns though you could make a possible argument for Shields from control. It was relatively close. The last two minutes were all miller which is why I gave him the round.
                        Second was a blowout for Shields.
                        Third had the near finish for Miller, which is one of the only reasons to give him the round. I scored it 10 9 for shields but miller did the only damage with the choke for the most part.
                        Fourth and Fifth were clear shields rounds.

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                        Ok then I wasnt crazy. I thought I scored all 5 for Shields but really couldnt remember


                        thanks
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                        • SPX
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          Fuck Jake Shields!

                          You hear that, everybody?

                          FUCK. JAKE. SHIELDS.
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                          • poopoo333
                            MMA *********
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 18302

                            Yeah GSP is probably going to win. Machida/Aldo/GSP parlay is a lock.


                            hehe

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                            • Luke
                              10 year vet
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 30060

                              Originally posted by SPX
                              Fuck Jake Shields!

                              You hear that, everybody?

                              FUCK. JAKE. SHIELDS.

                              This reminds me of Silva -Belfort right after fight
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                              • Svino
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 3873

                                Originally posted by Luke
                                This reminds me of Silva -Belfort right after fight
                                I'd rather see Shields fight Silva, actually.

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