Strikeforce Dallas June 18th

[SPX]

Not really. His only argument was a win over Brett Rogers who ended up in the top 10 for beating top 10 at the time Arvolski. Then he lost to Fedor...and I think he was still top 10 on a lot of people's lists. So I guess you COULD have made the case for him at the #10 spot, no higher.

Burt. Rogers.

[Luke]

Poopoo how in gods name do you have Mir at #5 ? WTF has he done besides getting pounded out by Carwin and Lensar?

And Carwin at 4? He's beat Mir and .................well that's it

[Luke]

First off, I would not at all be surprised to see JDS outstrike Overeem. Not in the slightest.

Second, with only a couple of exceptions, Overeem hasn't submitted anyone that has any real ground skills.

Third, I think the first round would be close but JDS would pull ahead substantially in rounds 2 and 3 as the gas-fest begins.

Now, with all that said, you're always trying to discredit JDS. If you can't see what a special fighter he is by now then, dude, I can't help you.

No one would ever gas against JDS because he fights at too slow of a pace so mark that one off your little list

[SPX]

No one would ever gas against JDS because he fights at too slow of a pace so mark that one off your little list

Nelson did.

[Luke]

Nelson did.

Nelson threw more punches in rd 3 than in did in rds 1 or 2 , he was slowing because he was getting the shit beat of of him

[SPX]

You act like JDS never turns up the heat. He did against Carwin at the end of the first round. And that's also how he beat Struve.

He fights cautiously, but if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

[poopoo333]

Poopoo how in gods name do you have Mir at #5 ? WTF has he done besides getting pounded out by Carwin and Lensar?

And Carwin at 4? He's beat Mir and .................well that's it

Yeah...awesome point. For some reason when I was making that up, I completely forgot Carwin lost to Brock.

And I don't know. This is what's hard about making MMA rankings. May as well just make rankings for the UFC and Strikeforce. It really does leave too much speculation because those guys don't fight/haven't fought each other.

[edman5555]

JDS won't beet Overeem for so many reasons. It doesn't even matter though because JDS isn't going to beat Cain.

[SPX]

JDS won't beet Overeem for so many reasons.

I would be more than happy to take JDS up to, I'd say, -170.

I also don't see what him winning or losing against Cain has anything to do with whether or not he would beat Overeem.

[poopoo333]

I would be more than happy to take JDS up to, I'd say, -170.

What if it was -175?

[Luke]

Yeah...awesome point. For some reason when I was making that up, I completely forgot Carwin lost to Brock.

And I don't know. This is what's hard about making MMA rankings. May as well just make rankings for the UFC and Strikeforce. It really does leave too much speculation because those guys don't fight/haven't fought each other.

I dont care what your rankings are and if that's where you think they should be thats your opinion , just like my opinion is Overeem should be #2 . SPX just wants to argue everyone else's opinion but never put his own up.

[Luke]

What if it was -175?

Or -171

[SPX]

What if it was -175?

Or -171

Are y'all trying to fuck with me?

[poopoo333]

I dont care what your rankings are and if that's where you think they should be thats your opinion , just like my opinion is Overeem should be #2 . SPX just wants to argue everyone else's opinion but never put his own up.

No, you're actually right. The only argument I can make for Carwin is that he beat Mir, who was probably #4 or #5 back then, lost to Brock who was ranked higher than him and lost to JDS who was ranked higher than him. So Carwin basically didn't move much. As for Mir..kind of the same thing. He was probably #3 or #4 (what was the seemingly consensus rank on Big Nog before UFC 92?) going into UFC 100, lost to #2 Brock, then beat Kongo which did nothing for him, then lost to Carwin who's last win was Gonzaga (was he top 10 before UFC 96?), then beat Cro Cop and Roy Nelson which basically did nothing.

[poopoo333]

Are y'all trying to fuck with me?

Just wondering if you'd take him @-175, calm down bro.