Strikeforce Dallas June 18th

[MMA_scientist]

He will not gas because his fighting style has changed. The guy looked like he just got out of bed after he smashed Rogers.

Yeah, but that fight was only a few minutes. I am not saying he WILL gas out... just wondered how you were arriving at your conclusion. I can accept that you observe that he is more relaxed and calculated. I agree he looks different. But I don't know how much we can glean from the string of strikers he has faced in MMA. The better fighters he has fought have all been pretty favorable stylistically. Hell, even Werdum is not a bad stylistic matchup for him, because he doesnt' really bring the takedown pressure than wears guys out.

Side note, I am interested on your opinion on the Kongo/Barry fight if you would share. They are discussing it in the UFC on Versus 4 thread.

[flyinggogoplata]

Obviously I will not get you to agree with me. You did not even read(understand) my post. Him gassing has little to do with his weight. It has to do with his fighting style. IT HAS CHANGED. If you do not see that, than bet a nice chunk on Werdum, you are getting nice dog odds.

And Sergei still could be his kryptonite even today...A tough as nails striker who can take a good shot and hang with anyone on the feet. Sergei is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Werdum.

Understand? Come on, lets discuss fights instead of insulting each others intelligence. Low Blow IMO.

[sbjj]

Yeah, but that fight was only a few minutes. I am not saying he WILL gas out... just wondered how you were arriving at your conclusion. I can accept that you observe that he is more relaxed and calculated. I agree he looks different. But I don't know how much we can glean from the string of strikers he has faced in MMA. The better fighters he has fought have all been pretty favorable stylistically. Hell, even Werdum is not a bad stylistic matchup for him, because he doesnt' really bring the takedown pressure than wears guys out.

Side note, I am interested on your opinion on the Kongo/Barry fight if you would share. They are discussing it in the UFC on Versus 4 thread.

That is the thing. I also believe Werdum is a good style match up. I just do not believe he will pressure Overeem like he needs to. He may try, but I think it will fail. I will head over to the other thread.

[sbjj]

Understand? Come on, lets discuss fights instead of insulting each others intelligence. Low Blow IMO.

No low blow. You obviously did not read or understand my post. I never once brought up weight. And actually clarified more than once about his fighting style.

[MMA_scientist]

That is the thing. I also believe Werdum is a good style match up. I just do not believe he will pressure Overeem like he needs to. He may try, but I think it will fail. I will head over to the other thread.

Agree that generally bjj guy with limited takedowns is a good matchup for striker with good takedown defense. Like sideloaded though, I am just not sold on Overeem. He can obviously strike, but I want to see what happens when he can't dominate. Even when he fought Cro Cop a couple years back, he got frustrated because he wasn't able to tee off, and he started throwing nut shots on purpose. Even in his K1 run, he threw a bunch of illegal knees from the clinch when he was getting landed on (he probably could have been DQ'd). I think Werdum can frustrate him and he will make a mistake and/or wear down, and that is where the value on Werdum is for me. I also concede that it is Overeem's fight to lose. But at the current line, Overeem just hasn't proved it to me yet against good fighters.

[flyinggogoplata]

No low blow. You obviously did not read or understand my post. I never once brought up weight. And actually clarified more than once about his fighting style.

I understand your point. He doesn't waste energy like he did at 205. To me that doesn't make a lot of sense because all his fights recently were against guys who had pretty low skill sets (James Thompson) so of course he didn't need to "waste energy" like at 205. And the fight agianst Sergei he wasn't setting some torrid pace, he just gassed. Agianst anybody that actually pushed him in the fight he has gassed.

[sbjj]

I understand your point. He doesn't waste energy like he did at 205. To me that doesn't make a lot of sense because all his fights recently were against guys who had pretty low skill sets (James Thompson) so of course he didn't need to "waste energy" like at 205. And the fight agianst Sergei he wasn't setting some torrid pace, he just gassed. Agianst anybody that actually pushed him in the fight he has gassed.

How is Werdum going to push him?

[flyinggogoplata]

How is Werdum going to push him?

Pulling guard is one. Also Werdum is a black belt in Muay Thai now.

[sbjj]

Pulling guard is one.

Aint gonna happen. Not 100% certain. But I am 98% certain. That shit just is not as easy as most think.

[poopoo333]

Pulling guard is one. Also Werdum is a black belt in Muay Thai now.

I don't think pulling guard on Ubereem will take a hit on his cardio. Maybe pushing him against the fence and going for a chain of takedowns repeatedly would be pushing him, but not pulling guard.

[sbjj]

I don't think pulling guard on Ubereem will take a hit on his cardio. Maybe pushing him against the fence and going for a chain of takedowns repeatedly would be pushing him, but not pulling guard.

More plausible. But IMO Overeem will be able to push him off easily.

[Vandelay]

I'm surprised you guys think monson has good striking. I dont think he's ever knocked any1 out standing, he's got short arms, telegraphs everything, is slow, and only uses his hands. His best punch is probably his left hook and thats not great either. Cormier picks him apart standing in my mind and I doubt monson can take him down. I think the line will open around Cormier -300, if not higher.

[flyinggogoplata]

I can't believe everyone thinks Werdum's wrestling is so bad and this fight isn't hitting the ground. Overeem was taken down by Mark Hunt.

[poopoo333]

More plausible. But IMO Overeem will be able to push him off easily.

Yeah, I was just using that as an example. I don't think that's going to happen at all.

[flyinggogoplata]

Yeah, I was just using that as an example. I don't think that's going to happen at all.

Where are you guys getting that Overeem has good take down defense? Again Mark Hunt took him down.