UFC on Versus 5

[SPX]

i think amir jits is overrated. he fought 3 ground guys and lost one by dec, one by tko and sub one. i dont recall him taking anyone down? the others are strikers whos there for him to look good. but he seems to improve very fast so he might surprise me this time. btw, do u know what day bookmaker usually put up lines for undercard fights?

Two things. . .

1. Ludwig is a striker. He has a history of getting beaten by guys with ground skills.

2. No, I'm not sure about the undercard lines. I think it varies.

[poopoo333]

I think Amir beats Ludwig anywhere: on the feet and on the ground. I can see Ludwig stealing a close 1st round, but I see Amir taking over from there.

Figueroa is going to beat Reinhardt. He will be like -400.

Bookmaker usually opens the lines for the prelims the Tuesday or Wednesday of the week of the fight. Bodog opened the lines for UFC 131 prelims pretty far out from the card, but that never usually happens.

[edman5555]

Another thing about Amir is I don't think he had much if any fighting experience before going on the ultimate fighter. So all things considered he is pretty damn talented. He is going from 0-60 pretty successfully. That said I think he <probably> wins the standup and I would think he wins the ground game but I'm not sure. Most likely. His line will probably be insane though.

[SPX]

Amir had no pro MMA experience, but from what I remember he was something like 19-0 in muay Thai and also had like 4 amateur MMA fights or something along those lines.

[edman5555]

oh i didnt know he had muai thai exp. That makes me lean towards him.

[SPX]

Maybe not the most technical beatdown, but here you go:

[mike]

I think Amir beats Ludwig anywhere: on the feet and on the ground. I can see Ludwig stealing a close 1st round, but I see Amir taking over from there.

Figueroa is going to beat Reinhardt. He will be like -400.

Bookmaker usually opens the lines for the prelims the Tuesday or Wednesday of the week of the fight. Bodog opened the lines for UFC 131 prelims pretty far out from the card, but that never usually happens.

thx. after rewatching a few fights, i dont think amir is better than Ludwig standing. he might be more active but if Ludwig can sidestep and counter, he'll nail amir coming in. Amir has good kicks, but his hands arent anything impressive. I would give the edge to Ludwig standing and i doubt amir can take it to the ground with ease. Amir might win it with just being more aggressive but i like Ludwig. Everyone here likes Amir though so i'm reluctant to bet much on Ludwig.

[edman5555]

i think its pretty close tbh. amir did look really good in his last fight though.

[poopoo333]

I think Henderson/Miller goes distance @-185 is worth it.

[AC88]

^^ That prop is has awesome value!!!

[SPX]

What's so impressive about Ludwig's striking? It's always seemed to me to be kind of slow and robotic.

[poopoo333]

As for the line...I think Amir's line will be expensive. Duane Ludwig just came off of a controversial split decision, coming off injuries, fighting at 170 when 155 is his natural weight class, and has a record of a glorified journeyman. Amir got up as high as -400 against Damarques Johnson (somebody with more hype and somebody who would be favored over Ludwig) and Amir literally pulled his pants down in the middle of the octagon and TKO'd him.

soo I am basically saying if you want to bet on Ludwig, you are probably going to get a great line. If you want to bet on Amir....that sucks

[mike]

What's so impressive about Ludwig's striking? It's always seemed to me to be kind of slow and robotic.

he isnt a fast, explosive striker but he moves well, has pretty tight defense and ok cardio. I think his hands are better than Amirs, kicks are about even but he has better footwork imo. Amir is a more offensive minded with his striking while Ludwig is good with both offense and defense. Like Edman said, the fight is gonna be much closer than people think.

[MMA_scientist]

Bump Cerrone/Oliveira and Benevidez/Wineland to the main card, and lose Sadollah/Ludwig and Dollaway/Hamman, seriously.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Cerrone-Oliveira-Promoted-to-UFC-Live-5-Main-Card-33907

[edman5555]

Leonard Garcia is going to maul Caceres. That guy is not good at all. He is just a good character. Garcia will kill him. I pray we get a good line on this.