UFC on Versus 5

[MMA_scientist]

I think Oliveira will submit him if it goes down. Oliveira has pretty stout takedowns for a scrawny brazilian.

That said, I don't know who will win, though I do favor Oliveira, I won't bet it.

[edman5555]

tough call. oliv has the edge on the ground but cowboy isn't easy to takedown. Striking could be close...

[poopoo333]

Anybody here going to bet Lytle/Hardy?

[Vandelay]

What fight did olivera show good takedowns in? dont think he's ever gotten one in the ufc.

[poopoo333]

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Charles-Oliveira

1 against Lentz
2 against Escudero

[Vandelay]

Just watched those 2. He got one on escudero and one against lentz. Both were throws where he used his opponents momentum against them. He does have good takedowns tho, just doesnt really have the strength to complete them. He usually gets pretty deep on the attempt but cant complete it. His hands and his overall strength are what needs improvement. Good kicks, good guard, seems to have a good chin, very athletic and quick. I just think cerrone is a better striker and can stuff his takedowns.

[edman5555]

you might be right.

[Ludo]

Anybody here going to bet Lytle/Hardy?

I'm on Lytle already, Hardy has some tools but he has looked like total shit in his last two. Not to mention Lytle is the better striker with harder strikes and a ground game thats alot better.

[MMA_scientist]

I might consider Cerrone by decision. He has never really stopped anyone with strikes that I can think of. They talk about it all the time, for a kickboxer he doesn't have a lot of power. He also can't sub Oliveira (probably). So decision is really his only out IMO. Had not really though about that fight, but now that I consider it, I think Cerrone via decision is the play. Or Oliveira straight up, because I think he had multiple ways to win.

[poopoo333]

I wouldn't say he looked like total shit against Condit...he just got KTFO right away. Against Anthony Johnson it's hard to tell..he got rocked by the head kick and then was suffocated by some big black hippo for the next 14 minutes.

[Vandelay]

cerrone by decision is plus 407 right now.

[MMA_scientist]

cerrone by decision is plus 407 right now.

Done and done. I will probably use it as an arb.

[sideloaded]

Done and done. I will probably use it as an arb.

not to be a dick but why arb with $100 limits?

[edman5555]

I think Cerrone by dec at +407 is a very good bet. Great odds for that. Cerrone isn't likely to knock him out and I doubt he can easily submit him. The most likely pitfall is Oliviera winning a dec or sub. I would think Cerrone should be able to outstrike him but you never know. I didn't see the nik lentz fight, i should look that up. I am pissed at myself for my previous dumb bets so I have to start doing some research again.

Hardy/Lytle: Ok few things, Lytle can submit hardy if it gets to the ground. He has a good solid mma bjj game. I don't think Hardy has much of a chance of subbing him. I am not sure who wins the wrestling exchanges though. I really can't answer that one. The standup is kind of a wild card as well. I see that being somewhat even. Lytle only has 3 ko's on his mma record. I would think that means he probably won't be knocking out hardy. His chin is great too. Hardy isn't the hardest puncher either.

Is the main event 3 rounds? If so I would think betting the distance prop would be a decent idea. Hardy/Lytle goes the distance is at -185 right now. Not bad at all.

Cerrone/oliv goes the distance is +140 as well. That isn't a bad deal either.

[sideloaded]

Cerrone/oliv goes the distance is +140 as well. That isn't a bad deal either.

then why is it steaming the other way?