Strikeforce Semi Finals of HW GP

[Vandelay]

Distance props are out for the main card fights

[MMA_scientist]

I am hoping they do the submission props. The best fights for those props are where there is an underdog that will not be submitted. 5D always messes the lines up. "Not Mo/Rockhold/Cormier/Sergei by submission" is airtight. If the odds are decent, I will go higher than usual, because there is no way on God's earth that Jacare, Roger, or Barnett will be submitted, there is almost no chance that Bigfoot will be submitted, but he does give his back up some.

Seriously, somone alert me when the sub prop lines come out. You have to get them early. I was looking over my last 3 months of sub props, and there some total steals in there (Not Cormier was a godo deal last time because he was a favorite over Monson, but there was no way he would sub him).

[Vandelay]

Yea thats pretty solid. Odds will probably suck because rockhold and sergei are big underdogs, cormier and mo might be decent bets for the not by sub prop.

[MMA_scientist]

I just hope I can get it under -500. It will probably come in a little higher than that though. I might just throw all 4 in my 2011 parlay though. Mo is the only favorite there, but I think they might try to set that line independently because it is Roger.


They did release odds for the sub props on the last SF card, so I am hoping they do it this time too.

[sbjj]

Am I crazy thinking that Cormier might actual get the better of Silva standing. Look, I am not going to put blinders on. he has never faced a great striker. Jeff is mediocre at best. but he looked real fluid in there with him. I think Silva is a bit slow and his footwork is not all that great. I just picture Cormier getting in and out with some quick shots. If he keeps it tight standing. he could win rounds with one takedown, or even by just going for them.

[Vandelay]

I think cormier is very similar to Cain Velasquez. Whatever AKA is doing over there is working for their heavyweights. Cormier has power, it just hasnt connected the right way yet. So I think Cormier has the edge standing and in wrestling. Dont think Silvas ever subbed any1 from the bottom. Cormier should have the much better gas tank too. Theres also the possibility that Bigfoot isn't taking this fight as seriously as he should be. He wanted to fight overeem and was disappointed when it fell through. He's been helping big nog and anderson with their fights and doesn't have ideal training partners to replicate cormier.

[sbjj]

I agree Vandelay. While I think Cain is a step above. It is hard not to see the same type of progrssion fight to fight with Cormier that we saw with Cain.

It also helps that they have one another to train with.

I just see Cormier as having two outs here. He MIGHT be able to win a stand up battle. But if not, he has the takedowns to go to.

[poopoo333]

I really hope Cormier gets back to +170

[edman5555]

You guys are convincing me to bet Cormier though I do agree with Scientist that BF could def win..it is a 3 rounder correct? I guess Corm by decision is the best bet.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Cormier also, mainly because his takedown defense is not very good. I think Cormier has better combos and speed, but he is a much smaller man. I have mentioned this before, Cormier wrestled 184 his senior year at OK State. He damaged his kidneys and can't cut weight. He is essentially a MW in there with a very large HW.

Cormier has beaten some decent HW's, but Monson is a small HW and Devin Cole is sort of smallish as well at less than 240.

I am just concerned that Bigfoot is just going to overwhelm with power.

That said, Cormier by decision. I will have a small play on Cormier.

[Svino]

I think Silva might be a bit overrated from his win over Zombie Fedor. Before that, I was still thinking of him as the guy who lost to Werdum, didn't look all that impressive against Arlovski (compare him to anyone else who fought Arlovski recently), and almost got taken out by Mike Kyle. On the other hand, I am really worried about the size difference. Cormier will have to win a grappling match and Silva's size will make that tough. I doubt Cormier takes it striking, unless he can get Silva to gas early.

[MMA_scientist]

But- Fedor wasn't really zombie Fedor until after the Bigfoot fight. It is not like Werdum laid a beating on him or anything. Bigfoot was the first guy to really take it Fedor. Fedor dropped Werdum and he damn near finished Hendo too.

I agree, he has some flaws, mainly he got taken down over and over by Werdum and he is willing to just get into wild exchanges (although with a head the size of a breadbox and fists teh size of soccer balls, wild exchanges actually is probably pretty good strategy). He did get clipped by Kyle, but Cormier hasn't really hurt anyone with strikes, although he is looking better everytime.

I think Cormier's movement is so much better and he won't just trade with him. I think Cormier can hang with him standing, just because I don't think Bigfoot will be able to land on him very much. And then he has the takedown out (I think). Bigfoot is a top player, he doesn't do really well from guard, I really don't think he can hold Cormier down either.

The only X factor is the size difference and Cormier has never been in a ground fight with a big skilled guy like that.

[edman5555]

How did he hurt his kidneys?

[poopoo333]

I think it was kidney failure from cutting weight

[edman5555]

his last weigh in was around 240