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[poopoo333]

The ones where he fought people that did that.

Oh, so never?

[MMA_scientist]

Crazy

Aldo has already beat several midget wrestlers. I don't see how Edgar is any different. Aldo is not a stationary target like BJ... I think he would drop Edgar. Just one man's opinion.

I think he is going to beat Florian too, just wouldn't be shocked if Florian can drag him into the deep water. FWIW, I think Florian could give a good fight to Edgar and maybe beat him. Just cause Maynard was able to use his size to hold Florian down, doesn't mean Edgar could. Guida couldn't.

[SPX]

Oh, so never?

Has he not?

[poopoo333]

Has he not?

Not in any of the fights I have seen him in.

[SPX]

Well let's reverse the question. . . When was he easily taken down?

[poopoo333]

Well let's reverse the question. . . When was he easily taken down?

I am basically saying there is no evidence that Cantwell has solid defensive wrestling because we haven't really seen any wrestlers/grapplers work to take him down

[SPX]

Okay, I can't remember a lot of the details from his WEC fights, so I'll agree with you.

But what we do know is that he has shown good skills on the ground. We also know he's a better striker than Massenzio, who not only is habitually outstruck but was also subbed by Brian Stann, who has never shown the grappling acumen than Cantwell has.

Maybe Massenzio will LnP his way to a win here. God knows Cantwell has been disappointing me ever since the rubber match with Stann. But it just seems like Cantwell has more tools than Massenzio does and should win this fight.

[poopoo333]

[SPX]

I mildly enjoyed that.

[edman5555]

OK, Sonnen, Aldo, and Guillard all seem to be sitting around the same price. Who is the best bet? And who is the most questionable.

I think they all win, and I am just trying to figure who I am most confident in.

Guillard. Kenny has a decent shot IMO. I still can't forget Aldo gassing against Hominick. If that were Kenny on top Aldo might have gotten choked out. Sonnen would be my second pick. I see him being able to take down Stann fairly easily. I guess Stanns out would be a tko/ko. I guess I consider it more likely stann will ko Sonnen than I do Lauzon subbing Guillard.

[Vandelay]

Lets nor forget zombie florian that showed up against nunes. Aldo had a horrible fight against hominick which could of been due to the hard weight cut or supposed illness. Who knows. I cant really foresee florian winning a title at this weight class, just too much weight to cut. Ill wait to see how aldo looks at the weigh in though before I place my bet.

[edman5555]

Kenny might have a reach advantage on Aldo as well. Kenny should actually have the longest reach of anyone Aldo has gone up against IIRC. Anyone else think this might make a big difference? On the other hand I could see Aldo hurting Kennys skinny legs badly with those nast leg kicks of his.

[Ludo]

I don't see Florian with an out here beyond possibly sticking and moving for five rounds. He's not knocking Aldo out, and Florian's ground game would have netted him similar results against Hominick. He's not an offense geared grappler from the bottom, his ground game is there more or less so he can jump on top of someone he just hurt, pass, and lock in the choke for the finish. But honestly I don't see him lasting the full fight because those legs will be prime targets.

[edman5555]

Yeah Aldo can probably outwrestle Kenny..maybe. It could be close. Kennys wrestling isn't that bad IMO. He dealt with Guida. Who knows about Aldos cardio. You would think that he would make the necessary changes from his last fight so that he does not gas in this one. That said, Aldo is not a god on the feet. He is great but his victims include a lot of wrestlers. Hominick is his first good striker to become a victim IIRC. Hominick was a pretty good kickboxer though, a champion of some org. Who knows how good you have to be to become a kickboxing champ of that org though. That said, I don't know how the standup plays out.

What is your breakdown of this fight Wiseman? You seem pretty confident about Aldo and you are a wiseman so lets hear it.

[SPX]

I don't really get why everyone is so caught up with Aldo's last fight, while there is little mention of Kenny's last fight (sans the Zombie Kenny remark).

Kenny was CLEARLY LOSING against Nunes before Nunes gassed and something tells me Aldo uses Nunes as a punching bag back at Nova Uniao. Don't get me wrong, I think Nunes is a solid fighter, but he's still the fighter who barely squeaked by Brown and Assuncao and Kenny lucked out that Nunes couldn't keep pace with him.

Besides, okay, Aldo had one lackluster showing . . . 1 in 9 fights. How did he look against Faber? How did he look against Brown? How did he look against Gamburyan? etc.