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**SPX** · 11-10-2011, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by poopoo333

I'm not sure about JDS' cardio either, he gassed against Roy Nelson, but then again he may have punched himself out.

He gassed, but there are levels of gassing. He did slow down, but it's not like he was leaning over with his hands on his knees or looked like Carwin in rd. 2 of the Brock fight.

**poopoo333** · 11-10-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by SPX

He gassed, but there are levels of gassing. He did slow down, but it's not like he was leaning over with his hands on his knees or looked like Carwin in rd. 2 of the Brock fight.

So?

**SPX** · 11-10-2011, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by poopoo333

So?

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**Thewisemann** · 11-10-2011, 02:31 PM

So Luke, bet or no bet?

**Vandelay** · 11-10-2011, 02:32 PM

Im positive cain will be able to take jds down at some point. However, its not easy to control someone who isnt content to stay on their back tho. Just like brock couldnt hold down cain, im not so sure cain will be able to hold down jds. JDS wont be playing the guard game with cain because he probably isnt the type of guy that can sub someone off his back.

**poopoo333** · 11-10-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Vandelay

Im positive cain will be able to take jds down at some point. However, its not easy to control someone who isnt content to stay on their back tho. Just like brock couldnt hold down cain, im not so sure cain will be able to hold down jds. JDS wont be playing the guard game with cain because he probably isnt the type of guy that can sub someone off his back.

I am not saying JDS won't be able to get back up, but Brock wasn't able to hold Cain down because Cain is an elite HW wrestler

**MMA_scientist** · 11-10-2011, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by MMABuddha

Bendo line might not be so great on the surface, but I see no way that Guida can win this fight. Horrible stylistic matchup for him, the fight should be more like -400 for Bendo, so I would bet heavily on him. I just can't see Guida winning, like at all.

I am not sure Guida can't just wrestle him up. Bendo got taken down several times by Pettis and Bocec got a takedown on him too, I think Cowboy even took him down. Also, I think Bendo has better hands, but only slightly better. If Guida goes to his style and just goes for the dry hump decision, I think he could pull it off.

**SPX** · 11-10-2011, 03:19 PM

I think Bendo's hands are significantly better. His striking is above average for the division . . . Guida's is below average.

**MMA_scientist** · 11-10-2011, 03:35 PM

I think Guida's hands look like they have improved since he joined Jackson. He stood with Gomi, he didn't get taken out by Pettis (though he wasn't looking to stand)... I think Bendo has decent hands, but I don't remember him hurting anyone with strikes. He wins with grappling and pace. Guida grapple raped Pettis, who really got the better of Bendo on the mat IMO. I like Bendo, he is my favorite LW, but I don't think his line is justified. I would put him at around -170.

**SPX** · 11-10-2011, 03:47 PM

To be honest, I really am worried about Guida outwrestling him. Guida looked really effective against Pettis who, as you mentioned, hung in their with Bendo in the grappling. So yeah, it could happen, and the possibility makes me nervous.

So I dunno. Maybe I jumped the gun when I bet him. I really hope not. If Guida wins then he'll have cost me like 6u in his last 2 fights.

**sbjj** · 11-10-2011, 03:54 PM

Comparing Bendos fight with Pettis with Guidas is a big mistake IMO. Bendo took Pettis down but tried to finish him enabling Pettis to fire off subs and scramble. Guida straight just held on to him for dear life.

I do not think Guida will be able to do that to Ben. I actually think Ben will be the guy taking Guida down in this fight. I think Ben has an edge in every category here. And I think Guidas recent streak has alot more to do with luck than new camp or anything else.

**sbjj** · 11-10-2011, 03:56 PM

Also, as for Bocek. He is a complete stud, who was unlucky to get Ben as an opponent. Bocek is going to straight rape Lentz when they fight.

**MMA_scientist** · 11-10-2011, 03:56 PM

But Pettis and Bocek both took Bendo down... Both on straight up takedown attempts.

That said, I do think Bendo is going to win. And SPX, don't let me scare you, I don't know what the hell I am talking about, I can't win a bet to save my life. If it weren't for those submissin props, I would be having a very slow year.

**Svino** · 11-10-2011, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by sbjj

Comparing Bendos fight with Pettis with Guidas is a big mistake IMO. Bendo took Pettis down but tried to finish him enabling Pettis to fire off subs and scramble. Guida straight just held on to him for dear life.

Sometimes there is a fight that is so inconsistent with what came before or what happened since that the best thing you can do is just remove it from your calculations altogether. I now believe that Bendo vs. Pettis is just such a fight. It was a great fight to watch, but I feel like it doesn't make any damn sense. I don't know if Bendo was under the weather or Pettis just hot that day or what.

**sbjj** · 11-10-2011, 04:04 PM

But guys have taken down Guida also. I just do not think that means a whole lot. Bocek and Miller are both good wrestlers and they just really did not have a whole lot of success. I think Guida might hit a couple of takedowns, but I think Ben will hit some also. The difference will be that Ben will be inflicting damage when he does.

Also, Guida is going to have to worry about getting chocked out every time he shoots. Ben will not have that same worry.

I think for Guida to win he has to fight a perfect fight against a guy that has him outgunned.

Now watch Guida hold Ben up against the cage and get a split decision win.

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