2012 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Mr. IWS]

Former WWE star Dave Bautista slated for Oct. 6 MMA debut

Not sure why Rashad is moving up to HW, he really has nothing to gain fighting Batista.


inb4...........

[MMA_scientist]

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Everyone is on TRT. Everyone.

[MMA_scientist]

Okay, so someone who's fought on a main stage. . .

Gina's the hottest. I think Tate probably comes in second.

Rhonda's in there somewhere, though like many have pointed out, she's always seemed a little too manly and too muscular for my taste. She just has a nice face.

Coenen, while not particularly hot, is not unattractive and is pleasant enough to look at. Certainly not "totally busted."

Carina Damm is pretty cute I think.

And while I think I'm going to be mostly alone in this one, I also think Megumi Fujii is cute when she's cleaned up and not looking like a fighter (but you really have to make that disclaimer for all of them).

Most of the others I would put at "average" looks, with just a small handful being genuinely unattractive.

I would agree with most of that. I guess my issue is that those girls are not really anything spectacular, and probably over stated my case by calling them ugly. I also think that most of them are more famous than their less attractive skill peers though, so there is a bias in that the female MMA fighters tend to be like pop stars. It is not really all about talent... it is a combination of talent, looks, and charisma.

[SPX]

I also think that most of them are more famous than their less attractive skill peers though, so there is a bias in that the female MMA fighters tend to be like pop stars. It is not really all about talent... it is a combination of talent, looks, and charisma.

While I think that that's largely true--women will always be objectified--I do think that even in women's MMA that talent can overcome. Look at Cyborg. She totally looks like a dude, but because she wrecks fools she's probably one of the top three most recognizable female fighters in the world.

I also think that we see the same thing in men's MMA, to a lesser extent. GSP is "GSP" largely because of his looks and personality and not just because of his fighting ability.

I also wanted to point out one other thing. . .

Whenever someone points out a girl as being hot or attractive, you usually come back with something like, "She's nothing compared to most girls you'd find on the beach or in a nightclub." I'd hardly think that's a fair comparison, though. The beach or nightclubs are not really good places to go to get any sort of idea about what real-life average girls look like.

Most girls look exactly that--average--with "decent" faces and bodies that are almost certainly a little bit chubby or overweight. All the girls I posted pics of are well ahead of the pack if for no other reason then they are in incredibly good physical shape.

[Svino]

What? You don't think it is hilarious? It makes me laugh because we have a judge here that is somewhat attractive, and all the lawyers talk about hitting it. Its like HIllary Clinton or Sarah Palin or whoever... it doesn't matter how old and gross they are, people still talk about it. I love it.

Maybe darkly humorous, I guess. But really, it kind of sucks. Not that I expect people not to notice attractiveness or lack thereof, but like you said, it means way too much to too many people. MMA promotions that have women's fights should really reign in their announcers when it comes to commenting on the fighters attractiveness all the time. It's inappropriate - they're in there as fighters, not models.

[SPX]

Maybe darkly humorous, I guess. But really, it kind of sucks. Not that I expect people not to notice attractiveness or lack thereof, but like you said, it means way too much to too many people. MMA promotions that have women's fights should really reign in their announcers when it comes to commenting on the fighters attractiveness all the time. It's inappropriate - they're in there as fighters, not models.

An unexpectedly sober and earnest reply.

I can see the humor in it, and like you say it's pretty much impossible to not notice someone's attractiveness, but I do genuinely believe that women in any field--athletics, academics, medicine, law, computer repair, or whatever else--should be taken just as seriously as their male counterparts and should have the same opportunities to succeed. And to deny them this is a legitimate problem.

[zY|]

Rashid Evans, really?

[MMA_scientist]

Maybe darkly humorous, I guess. But really, it kind of sucks.

Oh is there another kind of humor? I agree that is wrong, but it still makes me laugh. I do think itis alittle bit funnier with female fighters... its like "oh look how mean the face she is making is, she is so tough, its adorable". Something like watchinglittle kids do karate. I fully realize how condescending it is, but it is still funny,

I think people take themselves way too seriously, so it doesnt genuinely bother me when people cant get "the respect they deserve".

I personally put almost no stock in attractiveness. It is ridiculous way to measure a person. I also feel like i am pretty immune to sex appeal, being good looking will get you nothing from me and i have never really understood guys that do special things for pretty girls. So in the same way i find it funny accomplished females are judged by their looks, i also find it pretty hilarious eatching a girl who is used to leveraging her looks try and fail. And that happens a lot in my world too. Being hot might get you out of tickrts, but it generally backfires when you try the same routine on a judge.

[MMA_scientist]

An unexpectedly sober and earnest reply.

I can see the humor in it, and like you say it's pretty much impossible to not notice someone's attractiveness, but I do genuinely believe that women in any field--athletics, academics, medicine, law, computer repair, or whatever else--should be taken just as seriously as their male counterparts and should have the same opportunities to succeed. And to deny them this is a legitimate problem.

I agree for the most part. Athletics is slightlybdifferent imo... you are generally getting an inferior product, and so i am ok if women dont have the same opportunities there. I also feel pretyy ok denying women opportunities in law enforcement or military, or at least holding them to the same standards as the men.

[MMA_scientist]

An unexpectedly sober and earnest reply.

I can see the humor in it, and like you say it's pretty much impossible to not notice someone's attractiveness, but I do genuinely believe that women in any field--athletics, academics, medicine, law, computer repair, or whatever else--should be taken just as seriously as their male counterparts and should have the same opportunities to succeed. And to deny them this is a legitimate problem.

I agree for the most part. Athletics is slightlybdifferent imo... you are generally getting an inferior product, and so i am ok if women dont have the same opportunities there. I also feel pretyy ok denying women opportunities in law enforcement or military, or at least holding them to the same standards as the men.

[SPX]

I personally put almost no stock in attractiveness. It is ridiculous way to measure a person.

Silliness.

Being attractive just makes you better than everyone else.

And I only say that half-jokingly.

[SPX]

Athletics is slightlybdifferent imo... you are generally getting an inferior product, and so i am ok if women dont have the same opportunities there.

You're thinking too objectively. Scientist, sometimes I think you don't have a heart. Or at least don't feel emotions like you're supposed to.

Women aren't as strong as men. And for whatever reason--I guess it probably has to do with how our bodies are built--aren't usually as fast or have the same technical skills as men.

But that's why I think that women should be judged on a different scale. The women scale. Whoever are the best female practitioners determine the standard for excellence . . . not men. And ultimately, in my view, what's important is how much of their hearts and souls they are giving to what they are doing.

Personally, I think that we place too much emphasis on results. What's important is how hard you try and how much you bleed to get where you're trying to go.

Anderson Silva may be awesome, but if he never trains, I have a hard time feeling like his accomplishment is worth very much.

[MMA_scientist]

Is attractiveness like morality? Where pretty much everyone thinks they are (attractive)? I know that sometimesvfat people know they arent attractive ( right ludo?), but i think that is an exception because they probably assume they would be good looking but for the weight. I think it is probably more male trait if it exists... not sure though since i am objectively beautiful myself.

[SPX]

Is attractiveness like morality? Where pretty much everyone thinks they are (attractive)? I know that sometimesvfat people know they arent attractive ( right ludo?), but i think that is an exception because they probably assume they would be good looking but for the weight. I think it is probably more male trait if it exists... not sure though since i am objectively beautiful myself.

It's at least proven that the world values attractiveness. If you're ugly then you're going to have a harder time. It will be more difficult to get a job and also more difficult to be taken seriously by people. "Attractive" people get jobs more easily, get promoted more easily, get out of tickets more easily (as you mentioned), and also seem to project a greater sense of credibility for whatever reason.

I got at least a little bit lucky. I seem to be considered generally attractive, with good bone structure. Where I did not luck out is height, which has been shown objectively to have an impact on the things I mentioned earlier. But I can't really complain overall. It could be much worse.

[MMA_scientist]

You're thinking too objectively. Scientist, sometimes I think you don't have a heart. Or at least don't feel emotions like you're supposed to.

I have heard that said once or twice. Usually by my wife. I am sort of dead inside.

But that's why I think that women should be judged on a different scale. The women scale. Whoever are the best female practitioners determine the standard for excellence . . . not men. And ultimately, in my view, what's important is how much of their hearts and souls they are giving to what they are doing.

Personally, I think that we place too much emphasis on results. What's important is how hard you try and how much you bleed to get where you're trying to go.

Anderson Silva may be awesome, but if he never trains, I have a hard time feeling like his accomplishment is worth very much.

I dont see it that way at all. It is fine to judge women within their own league on the women scale, but i dont like the idea that we must all have the same opportunities for everything. They arent as good, so i see no issue with denying the opp to them. It depends on how you see sport. It is the struggle, yes, but it is the struggle by the best... otherwise we could just throw any two people in the arena and watch the triumph of yhe will.