2012 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Svino]

Yeah, usually the first indicator (I would assume) is that you are attracted to men. I don't know that I have ever heard of transgendered double gay.

I don't know about Lana Wachowski, but I think most transgendered people know what's up well before that stage where they're getting sexually attracted to people. I also think it's pretty common for them to end up identifying as bisexual.

[Svino]

MMA Legend Renzo Gracie Live Tweets As He Takes Out 2 Alleged Muggers

Wow, Renzo is nuts, and not in a good way. I hope for his sake those guys have a long rap sheet.

The moral of the story here is, "Don't be a cigarette mooch."

[SPX]

BOL! I just read that shit. That dude IS fucking crazy!

I doubt anything will come of it since the other guys probably didn't even know who he was and Renzo's tweets and the incident will never be connected. But if they are, I have to assume it won't end well for him.

[MMA_scientist]

They were clearly going to mug him, who follows you for blocks at 3am to bum a smoke? They were going to try to mug him, and he beat they ass. Good for him. Renzo is nuts for sure, and stupid, but also awesome.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't know about Lana Wachowski, but I think most transgendered people know what's up well before that stage where they're getting sexually attracted to people. I also think it's pretty common for them to end up identifying as bisexual.

I don't know how old you were, but I was about 6 when I knew I liked girls. I definitely recall thinking about kissing 2 different girls in kindergarten, and was pretty disappointed when one of them cut her hair.
My daughter is 3 and she always tells me she is a boy. She won't be bat girl, she has to be bat man. She only plays with boy stuff. Should I be worried?

FTR, I don't believe that people are "transgendered." I think they are just fucking insane.

[SPX]

FTR, I don't believe that people are "transgendered." I think they are just fucking insane.

Isn't there some biological basis for some of those people? Like, something about chromosomes and hormones that are different from regular people?

[MMA_scientist]

Isn't there some biological basis for some of those people? Like, something about chromosomes and hormones that are different from regular people?

Not that I am aware of. I haven't done any research or even a google search, but I mean, gender identity is largely based on cultural norms. So "feeling" like you are woman, when you are a man, has to be based at least in part, on what it means to be a man or woman in that culture.

Also, even if there is a hormonal difference... I don't see how that makes you a different gender. You are just a guy who is effeminate or likes things that women typically like. You are not a woman. You are just really goddamned confused.

[MMA_scientist]

Now that I have read wikipedia, some cultures identify more than 2 genders... kind of interesting as a concept. BUt if you have a penis, you are man. Maybe you are man that wishes he was a woman... but you are not a woman trapped in a man's body any more than that crazy fucker that tatooed himself to look like a tiger is a tiger trapped in a man's body.

[SPX]

I try to be understanding of how people feel. I always say that it could be me in the same position. I'm sure that if I felt as Lana Wachowski does then I'd follow a similar course of action.

[SPX]

What a cunt:

http://news.yahoo.com/police-angry-ex-girlfriend-triggered-us-airways-bomb-135336211--abc-news-topstories.html

[Svino]

Isn't there some biological basis for some of those people? Like, something about chromosomes and hormones that are different from regular people?

There are such things as XY females, but these people do not, in general, experience gender-dissociative feelings.

For typical transgendered people, there is no easy medical test you can do, it's just based on self-reporting like many other psychological conditions. The cause is thought to be related to hormonal exposure in the womb, but I'm not sure this is known with any certainty.


As for whether or not one's sex is an internal state of mind or is just culturally constructed, there is a test you can perform to figure it out. It works like this:

You give a baby a sex-change operation and tell the parents to raise it completely as if it were the new sex. Then you wait and see if the kid conforms to the new gender identity, or goes back to the one it had genetically. Believe it or not, this has been done many times, and the results are generally disastrous, with kids feeling out-of-place in their new bodies, showing many traits of stereotypical behavior of their original sex, and largely acting like transgendered kids.

Why would you actually do this? Basically, there were male kids with malformed or mangled genitals (botched circumcision) and doctors, who were influenced by social theorists claiming gender was entirely socially constructed, thought it would be best to just raise them as girls. Sadly, the first case of this procedure was being hailed as a triumph for many years, even as the patient was plagued by gender issues his whole life and eventually killed himself.

Whether or not you want to call transgender people "confused", it remains that transitioning to the other gender is pretty much the only known way to make them feel at peace with themselves and not totally miserable. It's also much better if parents understand this and catch it early enough, since taking action before the kid hits puberty is basically the difference between this:



and this:




As an aside, if you really want to dive into the weird world of body-dissociation, there are the amputee "wannabees":

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2003/07/costing_an_arm_and_a_leg.single.html

[Mr. IWS]

What a cunt:

http://news.yahoo.com/police-angry-e...opstories.html

LOL. that shit was all over the news here.

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[SPX]

Why would you actually do this? Basically, there were male kids with malformed or mangled genitals (botched circumcision) and doctors, who were influenced by social theorists claiming gender was entirely socially constructed, thought it would be best to just raise them as girls. Sadly, the first case of this procedure was being hailed as a triumph for many years, even as the patient was plagued by gender issues his whole life and eventually killed himself.

On the flipside, it seems that having "malformed or mangled genitals" would also be a very negative life experience since you'd probably have no possibility of a normal sex life or any sex life at all.

I'd fuck her.

[SPX]

LOL. that shit was all over the news here.

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That bitch fucked up. She must also be REALLY fucking stupid to think that she could do something like that and it not come back hard on her.

[MMA_scientist]

You give a baby a sex-change operation and tell the parents to raise it completely as if it were the new sex. Then you wait and see if the kid conforms to the new gender identity, or goes back to the one it had genetically. Believe it or not, this has been done many times, and the results are generally disastrous, with kids feeling out-of-place in their new bodies, showing many traits of stereotypical behavior of their original sex, and largely acting like transgendered kids.

I am not saying that men and women are the same. What I am saying is that just because a man feels like he is a woman... he isn't. He is a man that feels like a woman. I am sure the feelings are real, in the same way that people with schizophrenia really do hear and see things that aren't there. To me, having the medical community accept gender switching as the "treatment" is pretty much the same thing as just telling the schizo to embrace the demons he hears and live in harmony with them so he can be happy inside. I am not saying it should be illegal or anything or even that it is wrong... I just think it is a crazy person who is probably very unbalanced in more ways than gender confusion.

That said, I really don't think that this is the position of the medical community as a whole (catch it early and embrace it).