UFC 148 Sonnen vs Silva II

[MMA_scientist]

It definitely was not a blow out like everyone here is suggesting. Maia was on the wrong end of most of the exchanges, but if they fought again, I think Maia could win. I bet him last time @ +120 or so, and I would probably bet him again at + odds.

[SPX]

I thought it was a clear win for Weidman, but not a blowout. It's not like Maia just got totally dominated and, if in fact he was sick, then a healthy Maia could potentially get it done.

[Ludo]

In this fantastical hypothetical scenario where IF Maia wasn't sick he "probably" would have won it would be hard not to add in that if Weidman hadn't had to cut 30+ pounds in 10 days then he wouldn't have gassed at all. If both of them are 100% healthy Weidman still wins. Maia's striking actually regressed in that fight. He threw like 3 kicks through 15 minutes, and was pretty much limiting himself to the right hand jab and straight left following it. Weidman didn't drop him with strikes or anything but it was very clear who was winning those rounds.

[SPX]

I don't remember anyone said that Maia WOULD have won, but only that the fight was close and Maia would've done better.

As for his striking, I agree that it regressed, but IF he was sick what else would you expect but a lackluster performance in all areas?

[MMA_scientist]

Maia has regressed as a fighter as a whole IMO. But his striking looked worse than usual against Weidman... his cardio has never been good. I think with a different gameplan, Maia could win. If he fought the same fight healthy, he would lose again.

[poopoo333]

I don't even think Maia could outstrike edman

[Ludo]

I don't remember anyone said that Maia WOULD have won, but only that the fight was close and Maia would've done better.

I think he probably would have won that fighht if he was healthy.

The scor was three 29 28 's so i am correct. Had maia not been sick and gassed he probably would have won.

Checkmate.

[edman5555]

You cant get checkmate in a hypothetical situation.

[Ludo]

You can get checkmate in hypothetical chess. You didn't say Maia "may" have won, you said he probably would have won. Just like how we say Palhares probably beats Belcher, or Bigfoot probably beats Roy Nelson. If Maia had unlimited energy and health through way of Game Genie he still loses with the gameplan he had 10 of 10 times.

[Luke]

I'd lay 10 units on Weidman at -200 in the rematch

[Luke]

I don't even think Maia could outstrike edman

[SPX]

Checkmate.

He said PROBABLY would've won.

[edman5555]

He said PROBABLY would've won.

Yeah i did say probably. I didnt speak in absolutes. To say weidman would definetly win 10 out of 10 times is silly. Maias gameplan was unusually shitty, he kept swinging for the fences. I happen to think that he probably knew he might gas so he went for the big swings. I could be wrong but that has been my thougts since this debate had started. I left that out before.

[Ludo]

I said he loses with that gameplan 10 of every 10 times because he lost handily in a situation where apparently neither party was at optimal condition. In optimal conditions Weidman is still faster, still has better footwork, still has better combinations and more varied striking, still has better takedowns, and still gets the better of those exchanges.

[edman5555]

Silly.