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  • SPX
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 23875

    #16
    I just want to see Hioki fight a few more times go gauge exactly where he's at in terms of UFC quality competition. I do suspect Guida will dry hump him for three rounds. But Guida, really, is probably a "natural FW" himself. He was never a big lightweight.
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    • SPX
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 23875

      #17
      I'll also point out that, while I certainly never agreed with the assessment, Guida has never been considered by many to be a good fighter. His striking is average at best. According to Scientist he only "plays" at wrestling.

      Hioki was the #2 FW for a while.
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      • Ludo
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 4931

        #18
        Originally posted by SPX
        I just want to see Hioki fight a few more times go gauge exactly where he's at in terms of UFC quality competition. I do suspect Guida will dry hump him for three rounds. But Guida, really, is probably a "natural FW" himself. He was never a big lightweight.
        Originally posted by SPX
        I'll also point out that, while I certainly never agreed with the assessment, Guida has never been considered by many to be a good fighter. His striking is average at best. According to Scientist he only "plays" at wrestling.

        Hioki was the #2 FW for a while.
        I agree Guida's striking is nothing special in the grand scheme of things but Hioki's striking aside from that lead jab is pretty terrible. He goes to great lengths not to have to strike from what I remember. I just can't see Hioki muscling Guida down enough to win the fight when Guida has only ever been taken down more than once in a fight three times in his career(Bendo, Melendez, and Tyson Griffin). I don't agree Guida's wrestling is just for show. He has almost twice as many wins by submission as he does by decision. Guida may not have been a huge lightweight or anything but he definitely wasn't undersized. I think his move to 145 is purely to increase his odds at getting gold. Once Aldo vacates that division is wide open and it isn't the strongest division out there either. I'd say a guy who put together a nice career at 155 can make waves at 145 once Aldo moves up.
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        • mike
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          • Mar 2010
          • 541

          #19
          i think Guida is the better striker of the 2. he has better footwork too and wont be taken down easily. Has cardio for days, a good chin and can follow the game plan well.

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          • SPX
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 23875

            #20
            Originally posted by Ludo
            I don't agree Guida's wrestling is just for show. He has almost twice as many wins by submission as he does by decision.
            Well I personally have always thought that Guida is underrated. The dude wins and wins and wins, only losing to the top guys in the division, and people say he sucks. I don't get it. I think it's the WAY he wins that turns people off. But I think he's fun to watch and regardless of how he does it he gets it done.


            Originally posted by Ludo
            Once Aldo vacates that division is wide open and it isn't the strongest division out there either.
            Once Aldo moves up, is Edgar not the de facto champ? The same Edgar who beat BJ, beat Maynard, and beat Bendo (he won the second fight)?
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            • Luke
              10 year vet
              • Oct 2006
              • 30060

              #21
              Originally posted by mike
              guida gonna win that fight assuming his weight cut wont hurt him too much
              Dude could make flyweight if he'd just cut his damn hair
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              • Ludo
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 4931

                #22
                Originally posted by SPX
                Well I personally have always thought that Guida is underrated. The dude wins and wins and wins, only losing to the top guys in the division, and people say he sucks. I don't get it. I think it's the WAY he wins that turns people off. But I think he's fun to watch and regardless of how he does it he gets it done.




                Once Aldo moves up, is Edgar not the de facto champ? The same Edgar who beat BJ, beat Maynard, and beat Bendo (he won the second fight)?
                I think it honestly depends on how badly Aldo assrapes Edgar in the face that determines whether or not he's the defacto champion. Not to mention Guida is probably ranked around 6-9 in the lightweight fold and that's arguably the most talent rich division in the sport, but at featherweight? He could feasibly be top 5 or better in a still fledgling division.
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                • SPX
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                  • Aug 2009
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                  #23
                  I really question that Aldo is as good as some people seem to think. I'm not positive that he could be champ if he moves up to 155. But we know Edgar can be. In fact, he SHOULD be wearing that belt right now.
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                  • Ludo
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 4931

                    #24
                    Originally posted by SPX
                    I really question that Aldo is as good as some people seem to think. I'm not positive that he could be champ if he moves up to 155. But we know Edgar can be. In fact, he SHOULD be wearing that belt right now.
                    If we're being fair Edgar shouldn't be wearing it because he shouldn't have gotten the nod against BJ the first time, or a draw against Maynard the second time(first title fight with Maynard). Aldo is real. He may not be facing a bunch of p4p best fighters but he makes good fighters look like shit with sheer speed and brutal power. Nobody has ever done Faber the way Aldo did, and only a handful of fighters ever made Florian look like he didn't belong in the same cage as them. Aside from a few flashes and that fifth round he made Hominick look like a total amateur instead of a former ISKA runner up. Every wrestler to date has been pretty much brutalized before they could do anything with the wrestling. Maybe in 2009 it would be fair to say we don't know if Aldo is for real or not, but right now in 2012 he's more than proved himself as a world class fighter/athlete.
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                    • SPX
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                      • Aug 2009
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                      #25
                      Well I definitely think Aldo is "for real" . . . but there's a difference between being for real and being able to walk through Edgar or take the LW belt.

                      I also disagree that Edgar didn't deserve the draw in their second fight.
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                      • Ludo
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4931

                        #26
                        It's hard to argue against a 10-7 first round for Maynard in that one. That was arguably the most dominating single round that didn't end in a finish in the history of the sport. There's no evidence to suggest Aldo won't still be the bigger and faster fighter with the kind of striking that just gave Edgar a ton of issues(leg kicks and heavy power) through his last four fights. Aldo losing wouldn't necessarily be a total shock given that it is Edgar, but seeing Edgar get done the way Faber or even Mendes wouldn't be a shock either and it's the more likely scenario.
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                        • SPX
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          #27
                          I really don't know that I agree with that. I suspect it may be just more of Edgar being underestimated. There's a long history of that.

                          Since you bring up the Florian fight, I expected Aldo to be more dominant in that fight. Florian was actually having a lot of success in the opening round busting the wall n' stall on him.
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                          • Thewisemann
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1989

                            #28
                            I'm leaning Edgar over Aldo.

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                            • mike
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 541

                              #29
                              odds out for some fights on this card. got money on dodson, pettis, grant and kock.

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                              • poopoo333
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                                • Jan 2010
                                • 18302

                                #30

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