UFC 162

[Thewisemann]

Undecided. I have 3u on him right now. Depends on the line in vegas. Probably bet anywhere from 2000 to 5000 depending on how I do on poker.

[Thewisemann]

I planned on going big on Lamas but that's a no go. Got my eye on Edgar and Swanson too.

[edman5555]

I just rewatched Weidman vs Munoz and I do have to say that shit was impressive. Broken foot or not. The grappling was insane. The entrance for the takedown was impeccable and that elbow he dropped him with was amazingly timed. Even if he loses to Silva now I could see him pulling it off in the future.

[edman5555]

I planned on going big on Lamas but that's a no go. Got my eye on Edgar and Swanson too.

I was with ya on Lamas. I thought he would beat a somewhat overrated KZ. I liked him at -160. Very nice. Too bad it didn't work out. I am not sure I'm with you on Swanson though. I'm going to rewatch some of his fights. I wouldn't underestimate Siver. His standup is really good. He is a technical kickboxer. Cub has knocked out a lot of dudes but one problem I have is he loops a lot of power punches. One of them could easily land on Siver and end the fight but Siver could avoid the big bomb for three rounds. Cub's BJJ is probably better than Sivers but I would be surprised if he could consistently get the fight to the ground. Siver has pretty solid TDD. Wiman couldn't take him down and Siver was able to manhandle Nam Phan.

[edman5555]

Tapped to the kneebar the moment Miller grabbed his leg cause he couldnt get the quick sub, Cerrone finished him with a bodyshot, Swanson with a punch to the face. Sub in a tough fighter into these situations and they will probably try to fight through it or at least offer up resistance. I just havent seen him battle through a tough spot. I mean look at all of his wins, he was either dominating or it ended early.

I just rewatched Swanson vs Oliviera and I know think I get what you are saying. Though I will say that Oliviera got nailed with a liver shot and a hard headshot before he went down.

[Thewisemann]

Actually I meant to say Siver

[edman5555]

Ah nice. I like that we are on the same page. I just watched Swanson Vs Oliviera and Swanson vs Ross Pearson and I noticed a few things:

1:) Swanson has really dynamic standup. He threw Capoeria kicks and a lot of fast powerful punched. They were more precise than I remember.

2:) He gets taken down a lot. Pearson took him down three or four times in two rounds. Oliviera took him down in their fight. He did get back to his feet pretty quickly in all cases though.

I think his style could take a lot of energy. He ko'd Pearson while he was running forward with his hands down chasing him. I think Siver is more the fighter to try and stay on the outside and use his kickboxing and shoot in for takedowns. I still see Siver as a bad stylistic matchup for Swanson.

[Ludo]

Ah nice. I like that we are on the same page. I just watched Swanson Vs Oliviera and Swanson vs Ross Pearson and I noticed a few things:

1:) Swanson has really dynamic standup. He threw Capoeria kicks and a lot of fast powerful punched. They were more precise than I remember.

2:) He gets taken down a lot. Pearson took him down three or four times in two rounds. Oliviera took him down in their fight. He did get back to his feet pretty quickly in all cases though.

I think his style could take a lot of energy. He ko'd Pearson while he was running forward with his hands down chasing him. I think Siver is more the fighter to try and stay on the outside and use his kickboxing and shoot in for takedowns. I still see Siver as a bad stylistic matchup for Swanson.

Not that MMAth means much, but Pearson stayed outside on Siver and picked him apart. Siver probably get's pressured here by Swanson.

[edman5555]

I thought PEarson pushed him up against the cage.

[edman5555]

Not that MMAth means much, but Pearson stayed outside on Siver and picked him apart. Siver probably get's pressured here by Swanson.

I just read the play by plays and you are right. Boy was I wrong. For some reason I thought I read a long time ago that Pearson outwrestled him. Maybe I'll lay off this one.

[edman5555]

Munoz line is looki pretty nice. Im a little worried about the layoff though. Especially considering boetsche does have the skills to win.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Munoz here. Hopefully he comes to wrestle and not to fight.

[edman5555]

Hes had a long layoff. I just watched a vid of him saying hes been in the gym for the past six months and he has abs. The thing that worries me is Boetsche has wrestling and decent enough striking. Though I will say Okami man handled Boetsche and Munoz gave Okami a good fight.

[edman5555]

Anyone like Roger Gracie over Tim Kennedy? Superior reach and superior grappling. Kennedy's striking hasn't seemed to be all that amazing.

[Vandelay]

Thats a tough one. Gracies striking is pretty underwhelming, but kennedys isnt much better. Kennedy should be able to dictate where fight happens and I think he can nullify Gracie on the ground for short periods of time as long as he is on top.