Strikeforce Los Angeles June 16th Card

[SPX]

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They are inside dogs I have to "take them out " so they can use the restroom.I usually take them out one last time before going to bed.

I was just saying that you have to be home to do that and it was during the day that you mentioned it the last time, too.

[Luke]

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They are inside dogs I have to "take them out " so they can use the restroom.I usually take them out one last time before going to bed.

I was just saying that you have to be home to do that and it was during the day that you mentioned it the last time, too.

If it was a friday I took the day off .But the last time remember mentionung letting the dogs out on here was during some fights because it made me miss a fight.So that would have been a Sat or Sun

[Luke]

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They are inside dogs I have to "take them out " so they can use the restroom.I usually take them out one last time before going to bed.

I was just saying that you have to be home to do that and it was during the day that you mentioned it the last time, too.

Are you talking about the other day when MMAscientist and Zy were going at it?

I had just got home and took the dogs a quick walk so they could shit.

When its 4pm where I live and my days over its only 1pm where you are and lunch is just finishing.I live in Ohio

[SPX]

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Are you talking about the other day when MMAscientist and Zy were going at it?

I had just got home and took the dogs a quick walk so they could shit.

When its 4pm where I live and my days over its only 1pm where you are and lunch is just finishing.I live in Ohio

Yeah, that was it.

By the way, we're mountain time so we're only 2 hours behind.

4 PM is pretty early for your day to be over. Must be nice. I don't get off until 5:30.

[Luke]

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Are you talking about the other day when MMAscientist and Zy were going at it?

I had just got home and took the dogs a quick walk so they could shit.

When its 4pm where I live and my days over its only 1pm where you are and lunch is just finishing.I live in Ohio

Yeah, that was it.

By the way, we're mountain time so we're only 2 hours behind.

4 PM is pretty early for your day to be over. Must be nice. I don't get off until 5:30.

Its only 2 hours difference? Vegas is 3 hours so I just thought you were the same

You dont have to be at work till 9:30 am? Thats very late "days" hours

I'd rather get off at 5:30 than 3pm .I fucking hate getting up at 6:15 especially since I dont get to sleep until 2am or later sometimes.My GF works 5am-1pm so we are both off early

She's the sameway as me .She gets up at 3:30 am but doesnt go to sleep till 11pm most of the time so neither of us get alot sleep during the week then we sleep 12 hours a day on the weekend

[Luke]

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MMAscientist with no comments on my scoring??

I knew I did good

[SPX]

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Its only 2 hours difference? Vegas is 3 hours so I just thought you were the same

It's 2 o' clock here right now.

You dont have to be at work till 9:30 am? Thats very late "days" hours

I get here at 9:00 and take a half hour lunch.

I'd rather get off at 5:30 than 3pm .I fucking hate getting up at 6:15 especially since I dont get to sleep until 2am or later sometimes.My GF works 5am-1pm so we are both off early

She's the sameway as me .She gets up at 3:30 am but doesnt go to sleep till 11pm most of the time so neither of us get alot sleep during the week then we sleep 12 hours a day on the weekend

I agree completely on this one. I HATE HATE HATE getting up early. I used to have to be at work at 7 AM and it sucked.

I can't deal with getting no sleep though. I can't stand being tired. It just ruins the whole day. When I had to be at work at 7 I was getting up at like 5:45 and going to bed around 10.

[Luke]

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I dont have to get up too early to head off to work it only takes me 15 minutes to get there

No sleep doesnt really bother me that much during the week.If I'm tired when I get home I'll take like a 15-30 minute nap to recharge .Sometimes by friday I'm shot though and I'll fall asleep at 1am and wake up at 1pm.

It really doesnt matter if I get 12 hours or 2 hours of sleep I seem to fall asleep around the sametime

[MMA_scientist]

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MMAscientist with no comments on my scoring??

I knew I did good

Sorry, I had to work for a second.

I guess we just see grappling differently. To me, MMA is not about who can throw weak punches. Grappling is 50% of the MMA equation. Arona had multiple takedowns in every round. But aside from the takedowns, he had mount in every round. Just the mere achievement of obtaining mount shows total dominance. In grapping, if you get mounted, you got schooled.

I agree Arona did not do much, but he was there, working for a choke. He was looking for that ezekiel a lot. Maybe the refs didn't realize what he was doing since it not a common choke in MMA.

A mount counts for nothing? A takedown counts for nothing? If Fedor had done anything at all to turn the tides, I could see giving him some points. But if you have just been under mount for 4 minutes, you need to do more than punch the thighs a few times to wipe that out. Neither guy landed a decent strike, but Arona positionally dominated him. Since it was essentially a grappling match, Arona would have won like 68-0. Fedor never took one position on him. No takedowns, never passed guard, no side control. Nothing. AND he didn't land any effective strikes.

In my opinion, he would have had to score knock down punches in every round to wipe out the dominance that Arona was putting on him on the mat. For what its worth, I think Arona landed the better shots on the feet too.

So I guess we are just going to have to disagree. Because there is no way you can convince me Fedor won a round.

Of course, it is obvious your Fedor fandom is clouding you.

[SPX]

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Of course, it is obvious your Fedor fandom is clouding you.

I haven't seen the fight so I can't comment, but I did want to address this comment.

Speaking of bias, it has been obvious to me on many occasions that your grappling background has clouded your own judgement. You cream in your pants any time anyone does anything related to wrestling or BJJ and you always think that grapplaz R da best!

Like I said, I haven't seen this fight so I don't know who did what, but I do know that ultimately the point of a fight is to do damage. So damage should always be paramount to position.

I like the cage because the fighters never have to be repositioned, but I don't like the advantage it gives to wrestlers. For that reason alone I've sometimes wished the UFC used a ring instead.

[MMA_scientist]

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Of course, it is obvious your Fedor fandom is clouding you.

I haven't seen the fight so I can't comment, but I did want to address this comment.

Speaking of bias, it has been obvious to me on many occasions that your grappling background has clouded your own judgement. You cream in your pants any time anyone does anything related to wrestling or BJJ and you always think that grapplaz R da best!

Like I said, I haven't seen this fight so I don't know who did what, but I do know that ultimately the point of a fight is to do damage. So damage should always be paramount to position.

I like the cage because the fighters never have to be repositioned, but I don't like the advantage it gives to wrestlers. For that reason alone I've sometimes wished the UFC used a ring instead.

I have never tried to hide my grappling bias. But I don't think it clouds me. I like grappling more than striking, so I root for grapplers. But I think I score fairly, grappling is part of MMA, whether the drunken WWE fans want it or not.

Also, grapplers ARE the best.

I guess I disagree that damage is the point of the fight... to me the point of the fight is to end it. If I can submit you without hurting you, I still win. If I use 4 minutes of a round trying to submit you from back mount, and you get out and land a few leg kicks, I still win. But to judges, the point of the fight is not even to end or damage, it is to score points, regardless of the what the criteria states. If you land a huge shot that breaks my nose, but I land 100 leg kicks, I still win. Also, damage is not always immediately visible. There are lots of kinds of damage besides blunt trauma to the head.

[MMA_scientist]

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How does a cage give an advantage to a wrestler? Wrestlers usually try to drag guys away from the cage these days so they can't wall walk up to their feet.

Aside from that, every modern rule in MMA is to help strikers. Standups. 5 minute rounds. No knees to the head on the ground (this rule completely changes the game for grapplers). No strikes to the back of the head (for safety I think, but it hurts grapplers).

[SPX]

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I have never tried to hide my grappling bias.

Oh, we all know.

Also, grapplers ARE the best.

Yeah, that's what Dustin Hazelett just said. . .

No, but seriously, everyone knows that being one-dimensional doesn't work anymore. The thing about grappling is that you have to get your opponent down to do anything with it. There's nothing worse for a grappler than a great striker with excellent takedown defense. And sure, you could say that the art of takedown defense is itself a sort of grappling skill, and that's true, but a striker who can't be taken down is the most dangerous type of fighter in the sport.

I guess I disagree that damage is the point of the fight... to me the point of the fight is to end it. If I can submit you without hurting you, I still win.

Well I would say that a submission equals damage done because if the submission move was taken to its total conclusion then it would very much damage the opponent. So I'm not really talking about successfully getting a sub. I'm more talking about wrestlers who use their skills to do nothing but control their opponent.

[MMA_scientist]

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Yeah, that's what Dustin Hazelett just said. . .

No, but seriously, everyone knows that being one-dimensional doesn't work anymore. The thing about grappling is that you have to get your opponent down to do anything with it. There's nothing worse than a grappler than a great striker with excellent takedown defense. And sure, you could say that the art of takedown defense is itself a sort of grappling skill, and that's true, but a striker who can't be taken down is the most dangerous type of fighter in the sport.

You can still win by being a grappler only. You might not ever be champion, but you can get pretty damn far. Maia ran his record to 11-0 and a top 10 ranking, beating some pretty good guys along the way, without an ounce of striking skill. Just jiu jitsu.

I could just as easily say that the most dangerous fighter is a brilliant grappler with unstoppable takedowns, and it would be equally valid. The most dangerous fighter is the fighter that can make the other guy fight to his strength. Some guys do it by sprawling (Silva/Machida), others do it by getting the TD (GSP/Lesnar). So I disagree there for sure.

[SPX]

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I could just as easily say that the most dangerous fighter is a brilliant grappler with unstoppable takedowns, and it would be equally valid. The most dangerous fighter is the fighter that can make the other guy fight to his strength. Some guys do it by sprawling (Silva/Machida), others do it by getting the TD (GSP/Lesnar). So I disagree there for sure.

Yeah, that's true. I think the way I see the difference is that the default position for a fight is on the feet. All the striker has to do is stay there. It is the status quo. The grappler, on the other hand, has to have the ability to change that.