Strikeforce Los Angeles June 16th Card

[Luke]

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LOL SPX

I'm just completely incompetent when it comes to anything involving numbers. I see math going on and I totally shut down.

I'm actually struggling to pass my intermediate algebra class right now. I have to make a mad studying dash through the weekend so that I can go and (hopefully) pass my final on Monday.

Math is all memory imo

If you remember the basic formula for a problem then all you do is plug in numbers

[SPX]

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Math is all memory imo

If you remember the basic formula for a problem then all you do is plug in numbers

For me a lot of the concepts are just too technical. Like with factoring. That shit fucks me up.

[Luke]

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Math is all memory imo

If you remember the basic formula for a problem then all you do is plug in numbers

For me a lot of the concepts are just too technical. Like with factoring. That shit fucks me up.

Yeah I dont like math either but it always came easy to me.Now writing a paper thats where I'm stupid

[Luke]

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Really, this is like an unstoppable force / immovable object question. Who's better, the perfect striker who can't be taken down, or the guy whos takedown's can't be stopped and won't get submitted?

Well either guy A can stop guy B's takedowns or he cant ,its one or the other.

[SPX]

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Yeah I dont like math either but it always came easy to me.Now writing a paper thats where I'm stupid

We are the opposite then. I have always done well when it comes to things like composition and history.

I do not do well when it comes to math or advanced science (especially when it involves math, like physics).

[MMA_scientist]

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You admitted to be bias toward grapplers but I am not biased toward Fedor. I'm not really even a fan of him and have never bet on him I just thought the picture was cool.To tell you the truth I was rooting for Rodgers to win their fight

I watched that fight 100% without a bias toward either fighter and I'm sure most people around here would say I dont favor any fighters and score the rounds as fairly as possible .The fact you said you are biased toward grapplers completely throws you scorecard out the window in my opinion because you think laying on someone while sleeping should count more than strikes.

Like I said had Arona done ANYTHING the many many times he was on top he would have won.Hell Fedor at least tried 2-3 chokes from the bottom while Arona was sleeping on him. I really dont think in the 5-7 times he was on top he threw any strikes.

Sleeping on top of someone doesnt count for a lot in my book.Your grappler Arona tried less submissions than Fedor did in that fight

So in your book, grappling only counts if they are throwing punches... I just see it differently. I said I like grappling more, personally, but I don't give it more weight in scoring. I do give positions weight, even if there are no punches being thrown. I don't see that as a bias, I see that as knowing what I am watching.

If you think flailing limp arms in the general direction of the opponent should count for more, that it is your hang up. Grappling is part of MMA (modern MMA was created by a bunch of grapplers to show how dominant their grappling style is is to striking and all other styles), and positionally dominating someone counts.

I don't think grappling should count more than striking, but it takes more than some thigh punches to wipe out 4 minutes of mount.

[MMA_scientist]

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LOL SPX

I'm just completely incompetent when it comes to anything involving numbers. I see math going on and I totally shut down.

I'm actually struggling to pass my intermediate algebra class right now. I have to make a mad studying dash through the weekend so that I can go and (hopefully) pass my final on Monday.

Math is all memory imo

If you remember the basic formula for a problem then all you do is plug in numbers

I think basic algebra is memory. But advanced stuff is abstract problem solving. You have to not only know how to solve the problem, but you have to know how to quantify the problem.

I am terrible at math though. I am an abstract thinker, but I cannot pay attention long enough to learn anything.

[zY|]

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You guys do know RINGS didn't allow ground and pound, right?

[MMA_scientist]

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You guys do know RINGS didn't allow ground and pound, right?

Are you serious? I did not know that. In that case, Arona DEFINITELY won.

[Luke]

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So in your book, grappling only counts if they are throwing punches... I just see it differently. I said I like grappling more, personally, but I don't give it more weight in scoring. I do give positions weight, even if there are no punches being thrown. I don't see that as a bias, I see that as knowing what I am watching.

If you think flailing limp arms in the general direction of the opponent should count for more, that it is your hang up. Grappling is part of MMA (modern MMA was created by a bunch of grapplers to show how dominant their grappling style is is to striking and all other styles), and positionally dominating someone counts.

I don't think grappling should count more than striking, but it takes more than some thigh punches to wipe out 4 minutes of mount.

I think what I am saying is I give Arona credit for a takedown and thats it .If he sleeps on him for 4 minutes he gets no more points from me .He has to do something after the takedown besides lay there.Throw a punch,throw an elbow ,try a choke or another submission.

If fighter A gets a takedown in the first minute of the round and then lays on the bottom guy and does nothing the rest of the round and fighter B threw more strikes in the first minute,threw more strikes while being on the bottom,and tried a choke while on the bottom I'm giving the round to fighter B


Now if you want to flip that and fighter A tries takedown after takedown but fails to secure a one but fighter B lands one big punch in the first minute and then runs the rest of the round while only defending takedowns I give the round to fighter A

To me you just cant do one thing in the first minute of a 5 minute round and then just play dead the rest of the round and win it.

[Luke]

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You guys do know RINGS didn't allow ground and pound, right?

What?


Can you show me the rules for it somewhere?

[zY|]

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You guys do know RINGS didn't allow ground and pound, right?

What?


Can you show me the rules for it somewhere?

No I've been searching but I can't find their rules anywhere. But from what little I can gleam, they didn't allow head strikes on the ground, and fights are judged by attempts to finish. All those older orgs had strange rules. Like in Pancrase there was no closed fist striking, only open hand bitch slaps or palm strikes.

There's a blurb in Fedor's wiki about it, under the rings section, and there's a mention of it here.

http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/mma.htm

Also, I haven't watched the fight in forever, but if they allowed head strikes and Fedor was ever on top, Arona would probably have died.

[MMA_scientist]

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So in your book, grappling only counts if they are throwing punches... I just see it differently. I said I like grappling more, personally, but I don't give it more weight in scoring. I do give positions weight, even if there are no punches being thrown. I don't see that as a bias, I see that as knowing what I am watching.

If you think flailing limp arms in the general direction of the opponent should count for more, that it is your hang up. Grappling is part of MMA (modern MMA was created by a bunch of grapplers to show how dominant their grappling style is is to striking and all other styles), and positionally dominating someone counts.

I don't think grappling should count more than striking, but it takes more than some thigh punches to wipe out 4 minutes of mount.

I think what I am saying is I give Arona credit for a takedown and thats it .If he sleeps on him for 4 minutes he gets no more points from me .He has to do something after the takedown besides lay there.Throw a punch,throw an elbow ,try a choke or another submission.

If fighter A gets a takedown in the first minute of the round and then lays on the bottom guy and does nothing the rest of the round and fighter B threw more strikes in the first minute,threw more strikes while being on the bottom,and tried a choke while on the bottom I'm giving the round to fighter B


Now if you want to flip that and fighter A tries takedown after takedown but fails to secure a one but fighter B lands one big punch in the first minute and then runs the rest of the round while only defending takedowns I give the round to fighter A

To me you just cant do one thing in the first minute of a 5 minute round and then just play dead the rest of the round and win it.

I can agree with that, we just disagree that he did not do anything. It is one thing if he just pinned him down from inside guard, old school Rashad style. But to me, passing guard, mounting and taking the back is doing something. If you gain a dominant position (in fact the most dominant position other than back control with bottom man flattened out) then you get grappling dominance credit, regardless of whether you throw punches.

[Luke]

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I think me and MMAscientist are a perfect example of how one judge scores a fight one way and the other gives it to the other fighter

[MMA_scientist]

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I think me and MMAscientist are a perfect example of how one judge scores a fight one way and the other gives it to the other fighter

Me and Jeff Blatnick are the bet judges in MMA.

You ride with C-Peeps.