2010 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Luke]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Just my opinions

Roulette =cant be beat (unless you using some laser and you'll end up in jail)

Craps =cant be beat

You can beat blackjack by card counting but not all the time .Its not hard to card count but its very stressful and takes tons of concentration.

With all due respect, we're not dealing with opinions, but documented facts.

Ok then find proof of someone that has beat roulette and craps over and over again.Also show me the math behind it to back it up

[SPX]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Ok then find proof of someone that has beat roulette and craps over and over again.Also show me the math behind it to back it up

The evidence for biased wheels in roulette is voluminous. What constitutes proof? Does it have to be documented in a book? Well it is, here:

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Winning-R ... 931&sr=8-1

. . . as well in in many other places/sources.


Craps?

Dominic LoRiggio is an industry recognized dice controller. His operation was actually recognized in a History Channel episode of Breaking Vegas, which you can watch the beginning of here:

http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/HistoryChannel.shtml

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

LOL yeah I saw the tv show on The Dominator last year. I tried to learn dice control for like 5 seconds.

[SPX]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

LOL yeah I saw the tv show on The Dominator last year. I tried to learn dice control for like 5 seconds.

Ha ha. Yeah, I'm not saying I can do it or anything. I'm just saying that it's possible.

It's not like he's the only guy, either. I mean, there are teams out there doing that shit.

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

And Luke is essentially saying the same things I was. The game can't be beaten with any kind of betting system or type of playing. Roulette can apparently be beaten, but in very circumstantial and irreplicable ways, as the math is rock-solid unbeatable.

[Luke]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Ok then find proof of someone that has beat roulette and craps over and over again.Also show me the math behind it to back it up

The evidence for biased wheels in roulette is voluminous. What constitutes proof? Does it have to be documented in a book? Well it is, here:

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Winning-R ... 931&sr=8-1

. . . as well in in many other places/sources.


Craps?

Dominic LoRiggio is an industry recognized dice controller. His operation was actually recognized in a History Channel episode of Breaking Vegas, which you can watch the beginning of here:

http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/HistoryChannel.shtml

Whats your edge on a biased wheel?

I'm sure a few people in the world can throw a dice to beat craps but I meant someone like me and you being able to beat it .That would be just way to hard to do imo.

I like to see numbers and facts when betting .Thats just how I am. Thats why I played blackjack and only blackjack

Counting cards can give you a proven edge over time I'm not so sure about any other casino games( maybe baccarat?)

where's Svino whenI need him?

[SPX]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

And Luke is essentially saying the same things I was. The game can't be beaten with any kind of betting system or type of playing. Roulette can apparently be beaten, but in very circumstantial and irreplicable ways, as the math is rock-solid unbeatable.

Luke said what he said after reading all of our posts (presumably) so my assumption is that he's saying there's no way to beat either game without illegal devices.

And that's just not true.

[SPX]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Whats your edge on a biased wheel?

Depends on the wheel. How "biased" is it?

I'm sure a few people in the world can throw a dice to beat craps but I meant someone like me and you being able to beat it .That would be just way to hard to do imo.

I've never tried to learn dice control, so I'm not sure if there's a major talent factor or if it's just about putting in a lot of hard work.

I like to see numbers and facts when betting .Thats just how I am. Thats why I played blackjack and only blackjack

Counting cards can give you a proven edge over time I'm not so sure about any other casino games( maybe baccarat?)

where's Svino whenI need him?

No one denies that counting cards gives you an edge. Even then it's really an estimated edge, though.

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Baccarat is a funny game. You see all those azns sitting there with their pencil and paper scribbling furiously, but it's all nonsense. It's a game of chance with a set house advantage. There are no decisions for the player to even make except which side to bet on. The card distribution is all predetermined. I know SPX is probably going to come in and tell me I'm wrong.

[SPX]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Baccarat is a funny game. You see all those azns sitting there with their pencil and paper scribbling furiously, but it's all nonsense. It's a game of chance with a set house advantage. There are no decisions for the player to even make except which side to bet on. The card distribution is all predetermined. I know SPX is probably going to come in and tell me I'm wrong.

I've actually never heard of anyone coming up with a way to beat Baccarat and I assume there's not one. A lot of games are like that. Like you say, the player's just not in control of enough variables to shift the edge his way.

One note on betting systems, though: While I understand and agree that no betting system can give you a real, legitimate edge, it's also true that not all betting systems were created equal and that there are methods of play that will increase your odds of walking away ahead on any given night. Take Oscar's Grind, for instance. It's a notoriously boring way to play and does not give the player a mathematical edge, but if you use the system with near-even bets (like the pass line) then you stand a very good chance of winning SOME money.

BTW, I just get into discussing this shit. I'm not trying to come across as a know-it-all on the subject, which I'm not.

[Luke]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Baccarat is a funny game. You see all those azns sitting there with their pencil and paper scribbling furiously, but it's all nonsense. It's a game of chance with a set house advantage. There are no decisions for the player to even make except which side to bet on. The card distribution is all predetermined. I know SPX is probably going to come in and tell me I'm wrong.

I honestly dont know the rules of baccarat ,never played it ,and dont even know how its played . My brother just told me that alot of pro poker players use to play it . Of course they're all donks so.....

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Yeah I know. I'm just picking at your predilection to the supernatural.

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

Baccarat is a funny game. You see all those azns sitting there with their pencil and paper scribbling furiously, but it's all nonsense. It's a game of chance with a set house advantage. There are no decisions for the player to even make except which side to bet on. The card distribution is all predetermined. I know SPX is probably going to come in and tell me I'm wrong.

I honestly dont know the rules of baccarat ,never played it ,and dont even know how its played . My brother just told me that alot of pro poker players use to play it . Of course they're all donks so.....

It's really simple. There are 2 community hands. One is called player, the other is called banker. You pick which one you think will win (or you can pick a tie). This is the only decision you make.

After that, the dealer deals the cards and they add them up and more cards are dealt depending on what is in the hand, but it doesn't matter because it's all predetermined.

Ironically, it's a game that can fuck the casino up since a lot of high-rollers (azns) play it. The house advantage is solid, but it's pretty low (1.2%) so extremely high betting with some volatility can provide big winnings sometimes.

[zY|]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

As far as betting systems go, I agree that some are better than others. It's basically just bankroll management, which always helps. Personally, I like the Iron Cross strategy in craps. It actually has worse odds than simply paying pass w/odds and 6/8, but goddamn is it fun. You basically get paid on everything but 7 and get tons of action.

[Luke]

Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

It's really simple. There are 2 community hands. One is called player, the other is called banker. You pick which one you think will win (or you can pick a tie). This is the only decision you make.

After that, the dealer deals the cards and they add them up and more cards are dealt depending on what is in the hand, but it doesn't matter because it's all predetermined.

Ironically, it's a game that can fuck the casino up since a lot of high-rollers (azns) play it. The house advantage is solid, but it's pretty low (1.2%) so extremely high betting with some volatility can provide big winnings sometimes.

Is there anything you can do (like counting cards) that can turn the game into an advantage for you?