UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

They already did. They're called rounds.

I'm not against changing things, but just about every idea I see thrown out is either counterproductive or just plain shitty.

I think it's fine the way it is.

Unless they want to take the fence off and put a gator tank around the octagon.

LOL! Maybe a circular pool of acid.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

They already did. They're called rounds.

I'm not against changing things, but just about every idea I see thrown out is either counterproductive or just plain shitty.

I think it's fine the way it is.

Unless they want to take the fence off and put a gator tank around the octagon.

Yah like was originally intended in 93. Shit would be crazy yo.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

That and there is no BJJ in boxing.

I agree though. Shit like this does make me want to reconsider following this crap so closely.

I watch plenty of college wrestling and sport jj. I just feel like the UFC is betraying me every day.

[SPX]

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Am I the only one who kinda cares less about this(probably). Harris can go to Strikeforce and prove himself there. It is not like the guy was really all that great. In all honesty, UFC should be cutting MANY more fighters. Let some of the new blood come in there and get a shot. They can not employ every fighter out there.

I think Harris was a very promising prospect. We really don't know how great he is, or isn't, yet. But he was 17-2 going into the Falcao fight and had just rolled through three undefeated guys. He should for damn sure get another chance. And if nothing else, it's just not fair to him. It's also not ethical. Should fighters really be on pins and needles all the time, worrying about getting cut? How are they supposed to be mentally prepared to fight when they're too busy worrying about whether or not they're going to have a job because they don't do everything just like the boss wants them to?

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

LOL! Maybe a circular pool of acid.

I'm open to the idea.

[Mr. IWS]

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I dont really care too much that Harris got cut, but when you get rid of a guy that has 3 bonuses, and keep a guy like Baroni (Who I fuckin love) It does kinda make you wonder WTF the thought process is.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Am I the only one who kinda cares less about this(probably). Harris can go to Strikeforce and prove himself there. It is not like the guy was really all that great. In all honesty, UFC should be cutting MANY more fighters. Let some of the new blood come in there and get a shot. They can not employ every fighter out there.

I think Harris was a very promising prospect. We really don't know how great he is, or isn't, yet. But he was 17-2 going into the Falcao fight and had just rolled through three undefeated guys. He should for damn sure get another chance. And if nothing else, it's just not fair to him. It's also not ethical. Should fighters really be on pins and needles all the time, worrying about getting cut? How are they supposed to be mentally prepared to fight when they're too busy worrying about whether or not they're going to have a job because they don't do everything just like the boss wants them to?

Yea, they should. Just like just about anyone out there in the job market feels that way. Dana should let these guys know what he expects from them though. IMO, Harris is a good fighter, but nothing incredibly special. The guy will still get paid, and should have a decent career. I will not cry for the guy, he will be just fine.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Weird I also thought roller derby was scripted though I've never watched it

We have a team here called the Salt City Derby Girls, but I've never checked them out. I did watch a documentary not too long ago on the sport called Hell on Wheels. It was pretty interesting.

For more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roller_derby

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I dont really care too much that Harris got cut, but when you get rid of a guy that has 3 bonuses, and keep a guy like Baroni (Who I fuckin love) It does kinda make you wonder WTF the thought process is.

They have to many fighters now with the influx of the WEC. I say cut more of them. Harris pissed off Dana because he did not try to win the fight. Just like Machida seemed to piss him off for not trying to win the first 2 rounds. I think the way Dana looks at it is this, both Harris and Baroni will likely not be wearing any gold. But Baroni goes in to fight and win...he just never wins. When you actually look at Harris's fights...besides a couple of hilights, the bouts really were not all that exciting.

Dana should just come out and say it...if you are not an exciting fighter...you better not lose.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Am I the only one who kinda cares less about this(probably). Harris can go to Strikeforce and prove himself there. It is not like the guy was really all that great. In all honesty, UFC should be cutting MANY more fighters. Let some of the new blood come in there and get a shot. They can not employ every fighter out there.

I don't really care about Harris specifically. It is just that he got cut for no reason, when there are plenty of much worse fighters they decide to keep. Some are explainable, Tito while he hasn't won a fight in 5 years, is at least famous. But they also keep guys like Baroni around, who is just horrible, and no one cares to see him. Then they have all these mid level guys like Kimmons and Grove, who are good, but will never be champs. I just don't like the criteria they use to cut or keep a fighter.

They also cut Efrain for what seems like no reason at all. He is better than most of the LW's out there. So he got beat by title contender Dunham and uber prospect Oliveira. He also brought it in his fights most of the time, I just don't get it.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Am I the only one who kinda cares less about this(probably). Harris can go to Strikeforce and prove himself there. It is not like the guy was really all that great. In all honesty, UFC should be cutting MANY more fighters. Let some of the new blood come in there and get a shot. They can not employ every fighter out there.

I don't really care about Harris specifically. It is just that he got cut for no reason, when there are plenty of much worse fighters they decide to keep. Some are explainable, Tito while he hasn't won a fight in 5 years, is at least famous. But they also keep guys like Baroni around, who is just horrible, and no one cares to see him. Then they have all these mid level guys like Kimmons and Grove, who are good, but will never be champs. I just don't like the criteria they use to cut or keep a fighter.

They also cut Efrain for what seems like no reason at all. He is better than most of the LW's out there. So he got beat by title contender Dunham and uber prospect Oliveira. He also brought it in his fights most of the time, I just don't get it.

The guy could not make weight. I am sure that pissed off Dana. I am sure there are reasons some guys stick around while others do not. As long as an obvious top guy is not cut, I could care less. I see no reason why the UFC has to give us a certain criteria on who they keep and cut.

[sbjj]

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You got me on why Kimmons is still around. That dude should be gone...unless he is paying the UFC to fight.

[SPX]

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Yea, they should. Just like just about anyone out there in the job market feels that way. Dana should let these guys know what he expects from them though. IMO, Harris is a good fighter, but nothing incredibly special. The guy will still get paid, and should have a decent career. I will not cry for the guy, he will be just fine.

I think that there needs to be some modicum of decency and loyalty from to the UFC to the fighters. And I think that at least some minimum standard needs to be established as to what gets you cut and what doesn't.

For instance, I think that you should have to lose AT LEAST two in a row to get cut. Everyone can have a bad night and lose a fight. Going 3-1 and having the boss say, "Sorry, you underperformed in your last fight, you're gone" is unacceptable.

[MMA_scientist]

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Yea, they should. Just like just about anyone out there in the job market feels that way. Dana should let these guys know what he expects from them though. IMO, Harris is a good fighter, but nothing incredibly special. The guy will still get paid, and should have a decent career. I will not cry for the guy, he will be just fine.

A company has teh right to hire or fire an employee for any or no reason (except an illegal reason), but that doesn't mean I cheer for the company when they make an arbitrary firing, not based on performance. I am on the side of the employee. I understand they have the right, but it doesn't mean we should like it. Just like any other business that does things I don't like, I might choose not to support that business because of their practices.

I agree that Harris was nothing special... but he was definitely in the top half of thier talent pool at MW. But he will go to SF or Bellator, he will be fine. It is not about Harris for me, it is just about the UFC and their ridiculous and arbitrary standards.

[MMA_scientist]

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It is obvious what the standard is... Dana wants you to go out on your shield no matter what. Guys that do that get to stay around and even get rewarded. Guys that fight safe get pissed on. Maia got his ass whipped by AS. Dana threatened to cut AS, the best fighter in the org. Demian gets 2 gimme fights and a headliner against a guy who is going to get his 4 foot long arms torn off. Leben is another example... guy gets arrested several times, he is not even that good a fighter (remember when Kalib Starnes beat him), but as long as he is willing to give himself brain damage rather than go to decision, he has a job. Dana tried to cut Fitch a while back too over the video game thing... it is just retarded.