UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ LOL. Has GSP EVER straight knocked anyone out?

[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ LOL. Has GSP EVER straight knocked anyone out?

He knocked Matt Hughes out twice in one fight, and he pretty much KOd Jay Hieron as well. Doesn't mean much anyways. We know if GSP sits down on his punches he can hurt people. He knocked down Alves and blasted Fitch all over the cage but Fitch was essentially unkillable. So yes, if he's able to properly counter Kos, he certainly could knock him out. Will he? Depends on how the fight goes but I don't think it's too likely. This is just like any other training partner saying his guy will win.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ He's never put anyone to sleep and I'd be straight surprised if he did so to Kos.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ He's never put anyone to sleep and I'd be straight surprised if he did so to Kos.

Define "sleep". Is there a set amount of time a person must be unconscious to be considered so? Does someone have to be flat on their back with their legs twitching to be considered knocked out? Cmon. He legit knocked Hughes out and Hieron collapsed like a sack of potatoes. If Paulo Thiago can do it Georges can. His gameplan just generally doesn't warrant the opportunity to do so.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Scott Smith last night = sleep.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Scott Smith last night = sleep.

You are going to lose this argument.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

You are going to lose this argument.

You asked my opinion and I gave it to you.

And you and I both know GSP is no knockout machine.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Fun fact: McCorkles opponents combined record = 73-98. One of these guys is 29-44.

McCorkle used to be 320 lbs for all of his fights and now he has to reach the 265 limit, that is why he is so big and fat in the following vids. McCorkle hasn't straight up KOd anybody, he just ends up with big fat guys (seriously, for entertainment youtube the guys he has fought) on the ground and throws punches while they are both gassed. Struve has proven to have a good chin/recovery (except in the Nelson fight). Struve doesn't have the best gas tank either, but McCorkle is going to gas hard in this fight imo. My only concern is that McCorkle may somehow have decent conditioning now since he isn't a big fat guy anymore.


Some of McCorkles fights:

[youtube:3vm74lfj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7pfpTt_nY0[/youtube:3vm74lfj]

[youtube:3vm74lfj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6LcYwpggiA[/youtube:3vm74lfj]

[youtube:3vm74lfj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3USGkmYWCU[/youtube:3vm74lfj]

LOL
[youtube:3vm74lfj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3USGkmYWCU[/youtube:3vm74lfj]
LOL

[youtube:3vm74lfj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPClD8emiGI[/youtube:3vm74lfj]

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^ nice finds. I wouldn't be surprised to see McCorkle get the better of it for a round and then Struve's superior technique take over. Unless the line goes wild, I won't be betting it.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^ nice finds. I wouldn't be surprised to see McCorkle get the better of it for a round and then Struve's superior technique take over. Unless the line goes wild, I won't be betting it.

Yeah, I can see McCorkle getting the better of it for like...a half a round. If McCorkle gasses like he did in those videos I posted, Struve isn't also going to be like "ok I am tired too, let me take a knee real quick", he is going to pick up the pace. Struve has only looked tired once in the UFC, and that was in the Buentello fight where he worked for a finish on Buentello's back for the majority of the round and ended up in a slugfest with him in the 2nd. I don't know, I just can't find myself to believe that a guy that has a career of beating up guys like this:



should only be +125 to Struve.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

What do you guys think about Stevenson/Danzig? I really like Stevenson here, but I am hesitant to take him @ -300.

I'm thinking hard about this one, too. Stevenson's no world beater. But then again, he's fighting . . . Danzig... In any case, Danzig is fighting for his life here and he knows it. It's hard to know how that's going to affect his game.

I just don't think Danzig has to the tools to beat Stevenson. Stevenson is the better wrestler and grappler. I think the hands are about even. I just don't see a path to victory for Danzig. I think he will make a fight of it and lose a decision. Danzig is a solid well rounded guy, but he doesn't have a dominant skill. The best part of his game is is ground game IMO, but Stevenson is better.

I am worried about Stevenson's fram of mind though. I think he has put away his title aspirations, and he is just kind of fighting now. I am more worried about his mindset than Mac's.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Yeah, I can see McCorkle getting the better of it for like...a half a round. If McCorkle gasses like he did in those videos I posted, Struve isn't also going to be like "ok I am tired too, let me take a knee real quick", he is going to pick up the pace. Struve has only looked tired once in the UFC, and that was in the Buentello fight where he worked for a finish on Buentello's back for the majority of the round and ended up in a slugfest with him in the 2nd. I don't know, I just can't find myself to believe that a guy that has a career of beating up guys like this...should only be +125 to Struve.

Yeah, but Struve isn't that good either. Between the two of them, McCorkle probably has the best win (Hunt). But Struve has definitely been fighting tougher comp consistently and he has proven himself over a few different styles, he beat a fat wrestler in Gormley and a striker in Buentello. BUt I think Struve is mostly a product of UFC marketing. He just isn't very good IMO. But you are right, McCorkle looks like shit in those vids.

I am with you though, I think Struve will take over with his reach and better technique somewhere between round 1 and 2. But I can't bet it.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I am worried about Stevenson's fram of mind though. I think he has put away his title aspirations, and he is just kind of fighting now. I am more worried about his mindset than Mac's.

I thought of this as well. Skip to 2:10:

[youtube:2fgb81su]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQafADs5wg[/youtube:2fgb81su]

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Yeah, but Struve isn't that good either. Between the two of them, McCorkle probably has the best win (Hunt). But Struve has definitely been fighting tougher comp consistently and he has proven himself over a few different styles, he beat a fat wrestler in Gormley and a striker in Buentello. BUt I think Struve is mostly a product of UFC marketing. He just isn't very good IMO. But you are right, McCorkle looks like shit in those vids.

I am with you though, I think Struve will take over with his reach and better technique somewhere between round 1 and 2. But I can't bet it.

Yeah, what worries me about Struve in this fight is that he will end up on his back and receive some heavy shots. This is what happened in the Stojnic and Morecraft fight. The only time besides the Nelson fight when he was rocked standing was against Buentello, but that was when he jumped in the air from across the ring and just got caught.

Basically, I have talked myself into betting Struve. For the record, I was originally considering McCorkle because I knew he was a huge guy that took everyone out in the first round (kind of like Travis Browne's record before coming to the UFC), but the stuff I found on McCorkle just made me

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

On a side note:

Stefan Struve pees sitting down

Stefan Struve likes black guys. Just sayin .

Stefan Struve and I will be half naked, sweaty, and wrestling around with each other. Then a few days later, we'll fight

The only thing Stefan Struve has ever finished in his whole life is "another guy off"

If I were a woman or a gay man, Stefan Struve would definitely not be my type.