UFC on Versus 3 March 3rd

[MMA_scientist]

LOL

I have wondered about this myself. I always have to think that he is given some better advice than this, but he does the same thing in every fight. Why? Is it because he ignores whatever the plan is from the time the bell sounds, or is it because that IS the plan?

I have heard Jackson say that he tries to let the fighters be who they are, he doesn't try to make them into something they are not. I guess it works for Garcia, he doesn't have the tools to be champion, but at least he can win fight of the night bonuses this way. I can imagine him sitting down with the fighters like a financial planner. "First we need to know what your goals are..." Maybe Garcia's goal is not be good, but just to put a show and maybe pick up a bonus here an there. In all fairness, if he fought more intelligently, his record would probably be the same, and he would probably be out of the UFC because he really is not very good or memorable aside from his wild windmilling.

[SPX]

I don't agree the decision was close. The first round was close, and Diego clearly won rounds 2 and 3. I think one of those rounds was even scored 10-8

Maybe I need to go back and watch it again. I admit my memory is hazy.

I don't remember any round that was worthy of being a 10-8, though.

[SPX]

I can imagine Jackson giving Garcia his gameplan... "ok, just go out and throw wild bombs the entire time. You don't need to connect, just start windmilling punches and you will win a decision."

LOL

I have wondered about this myself. I always have to think that he is given some better advice than this, but he does the same thing in every fight. Why? Is it because he ignores whatever the plan is from the time the bell sounds, or is it because that IS the plan?

[poopoo333]

Also, Diego's last three fights involve him getting brutalized by Penn, soundly defeated by Hathaway, and winning a clear--but still relatively close--decision against Paulo Thiago.

I don't agree the decision was close. The first round was close, and Diego clearly won rounds 2 and 3. I think one of those rounds was even scored 10-8

[trotterz]

excellent point with garcia, there is absolutely no gameplan in his fights

[MMA_scientist]

For every Guillard at Jackson's there is a Leonard Garcia or Keith Jardine. I can imagine Jackson giving Garcia his gameplan... "ok, just go out and throw wild bombs the entire time. You don't need to connect, just start windmilling punches and you will win a decision."

I see it more like an NCAA program. They are good because they have managed to attract talent. Guys will improve there by playing with other talented guys and getting instruction too. But I really don't buy the theory that Jackson is somehow able to formulate magic gameplans that help guys win. I attribute Guillard's success to being in a camp, any camp. He was a nomad before, just out there snorting coke and showing up to fight. He has gotten serious and it has shown, but I don't really think it was Jackson's gameplans that did it. More that he just decided to start applying himself and had better sparring partners.

[trotterz]

I think that the gameplan also does a difference. A better exemple of it could be Melvin Guillard. Since he joined jackson's camp, he is not the same fighter at all. Don't know if it's because of the gameplans or because of the training partners, maybe a combination of the 2, but he is fighting way better,beeing more cautious and it pays off, he never lost since joining that camp.

[MMA_scientist]

^ I don't think Jackson makes a lick of difference (for any fighter really). The benefit to a good camp is the training partners. His gameplan against Penn and Hathaway was out of necessity. He definitely could not stand with those guys, so his only option was to try and try for takedowns. He was just overmatched. Thiago is an all-rounder, but his striking is not overwhelmingly dangerous, and his wrestling is not that great, so mixing it up is a little easier with him than the other guys.

[trotterz]

My only problem with that fight is that Diego came back to Jackson's MMA for his fight with Paulo Thiago and that he is still training there for his fight with Kampmann. Since both of these guys are pretty similar skill wise, I think that a good gameplan from Greg jackson could maybe make the difference.
Look at Diego's fight against BJ Penn, against Hathaway, and now against Thiago and you can clearly see a big difference

[MMA_scientist]

I think it is a really close fight. My concern is that IF Diego is able to take him down, he is going to be a lot of a lot better conditioned than Shields. He will just energizer bunny those takedowns. I think we all agree that if Shields didn't gas so badly, he would have won decisively. That said, I don't know that Diego is going to be able to get tha takedown. And Kampmann could very well turn the tables on him and get a takedown of his own. Diego's takedown defense is not that good. And if his fight with Hathway is any indication of how he does with a bigger man, he is going to have some trouble. It is probably worth a bet @ -155.

[SPX]

^^^I like it man.

Do you concur?

[Mr. IWS]

^^^I like it man.

[SPX]

Went ahead and dropped the hammer on Kampmann. 1.55u to win 1u

I really think he's going to have what it takes to beat Diego. He should be bigger and stronger, and just as well rounded.

Also, Diego's last three fights involve him getting brutalized by Penn, soundly defeated by Hathaway, and winning a clear--but still relatively close--decision against Paulo Thiago.

Kampmann subbed an admittedly undersized Jacob Volkmann, won a more impressive decision against Thiago, and arguably beat Shields, though that fight was razor thin either way.

It might be a close fight, but I think that at -155 Kampmann's worth a bet. I expect one of those two to be the case, though: Very close fight that could go either way, or a clear win for the Hitman.

[poopoo333]

Roller ends up on his back often for such a high level wrestler. I forgot which fights they were, but I will point them out tomorrow after I finish watching his fights again

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I am pretty familiar with Tavares' fights. I said he (Tavares) has strong wrestling. Lentz/Pelligrino/Griffin are all several rungs below Roller on the wrestling ladder though. I think Roller is a slightly better grappler with slightly better takedowns. It is close, but the line is close. The X factor is Roller coming into the big stage. That factor could make Tavares worth a bet. I will probably stay away because it is really close and I think it could go either way.