UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[MMA_scientist]

If you watch that first round... the look on Hominick's face is like "I am fucked, what did I get myself into." Aldo is/was a way more skilled fighter... but then Aldo just deflated. It is clear as day, I don't even think it is debatable. The only thing that is debatable is if he gassed because he didn't train hard or if there was something medically wrong with him. I personally believe that there was something wrong with him, either due to the weight cut or due to illness... whatever. I think if there was a rematch, Aldo would stop him.

As for Mendes, I think he has a great shot, but I also won't be surprised if Aldo's ground game is a lot better than he showed. He was not even trying to pass Hominick's guard. All I know is that Aldo has a win over Cobrinha in bjj (at the brown level). But even at the brown level, that is an impressive work. That is all the evidence of his grappling skill that I need. That said, I have not seen the match, it was probably from the top position, so he could be one of those guys that has a good base and strong defense, but not really that good all around. Still, contrast that with these guys like Ben Askren who can't even get out the first round at purple belt in the Pan Ams, even from the top position.

[edman5555]

Aldo was clearly a lot better than Hominick. I just have to wonder why he gassed. He said he put on more muscle recently. That could be a factor, or maybe he was sick. I don't know if I buy that. Maybe Soares said that to cover up the fact that he is a gasser. If everyone knows then maybe they can take advantage of that. One thing is for sure, he was packing a hell of a lot more muscle than Hominick.

[Mr. IWS]

It only took a week, but the post fight war was inevitable.

[Svino]

Carwin was huffing and puffing on the way back to his stool, though.

Yeah. I bet on Carwin, but I remember thinking I was fucked even at the end of the first round.

[SPX]

Carwin

Carwin was huffing and puffing on the way back to his stool, though.

[Ludo]

He definitely didn't do much recharging between rounds one and two. He spent most of it looking like a fish out of water and was taking some deep breaths before the second round started. All of a sudden he's not bouncing on his feet like he was, he's throwing the leg kick without any torque in his hips, he's getting tagged while he's doing it, and he's breathing with an open mouth a minute into the round still. Mark didn't start doing better until Aldo started showing signs of fatigue.

[zY|]

My question with this is that fighters recharge in between rounds . . . they don't gas in between rounds.

Carwin

[SPX]

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

My question with this is that fighters recharge in between rounds . . . they don't gas in between rounds. So if he was keeping up a high work rate up to the end of the first, then he gets a break, then he comes out and looks like a different fighter, then it sounds like something other than gassing.

[SPX]

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view.

You also have to keep in mind that there could be multiple words for the same thing. That's the way languages go. Maybe the word they used wasn't "antibioticos" but some other word that indicates a medicine to fight illness.

Edit: ninja'd by zY

[zY|]

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

Yeah he came out way slower in Round 2 and stopped throwing kicks at all. It's pretty noticeable if you watch both rounds.

[zY|]

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view. Then again nobody else does either(unless of course it was covered on the SAP broadcast, which I don't have access to). It just seems to fit from where I'm sitting. He came out like a bat out of hell, looked flat for the rest of the time, abandoned his bread and butter for half the fight, and did almost nothing befitting his supposed skill on the ground. He gasses about as hard as anyone I've ever seen. After the fight he rides on someones shoulders like some olympic medalist who defied the odds. Then he tells a reporter that he "eased up" on Hominik because he's a flamengo fan and loves the excitement( shown here: http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/stor...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS ). I personally think he had alot less respect than he should have for Mark and it showed.

You could be right, but I wouldn't go off what he says to reporters. You have to give a lot of leeway with foreign fighters as the language barrier is huge.

[zY|]

So we are to believe something was spoken, which is the entire hinge on the explanation for Jose's poor showing in terms of stamina, without any proof of it? I mean, if it isn't on the broadcast then where the fuck is it? Are we talking telepathy here? Maybe it's time to come off your high horse since your not offering an opinion or new information and stick to bitching vehemently about how the judges don't score rounds like you do.

I'm saying you don't speak the language so you don't know the nuances of it. Rarely do languages translate directly. A good translator extracts meaning, not word-for-word dictations as it simply doesn't work. The fact that the word Antibióticos doesn't literally come out of someone's mouth is indicative of nothing. Maybe he said a specific antibiotic by name, maybe he just referenced medicine in general and it was extracted in context. We don't know. It's not exactly relevant.

Considering his performance and the fact that his coach confirmed that he was sick, I don't really see the point in quibbling with the language. There is plenty of other circumstantial evidence that points to him being sick (referenced in this thread mostly). He was also coming off extensive rehab from a neck injury, which I haven't really seen mentioned. The fact is, there are plenty of factors that could lead to him looking gassed from the 2nd round on, enough that assuming he came into camp fat as shit and Rampaged it up is pretty unfounded.

[Ludo]

Everyone says that it was obvious something was up at the beginning of the second round, but I didn't notice this. All I noticed was that Hominick was doing better.

Is it not possible that instead of Aldo underestimating Hominick and not performing to his ability . . . that the FANS underestimated Hominick and Hominick is just that good?

I mean, it's like if Aldo doesn't just crush someone then something was wrong with him. It's not possible that a fighter could be good enough to actually challenge him. To be honest, it sounds a lot like the "BJ wasn't motivated" talk.

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

[Ludo]

You have some good observations but I think the conclusions you draw from them are huge leaps in logic.

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view. Then again nobody else does either(unless of course it was covered on the SAP broadcast, which I don't have access to). It just seems to fit from where I'm sitting. He came out like a bat out of hell, looked flat for the rest of the time, abandoned his bread and butter for half the fight, and did almost nothing befitting his supposed skill on the ground. He gasses about as hard as anyone I've ever seen. After the fight he rides on someones shoulders like some olympic medalist who defied the odds. Then he tells a reporter that he "eased up" on Hominik because he's a flamengo fan and loves the excitement( shown here: http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/stor...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS ). I personally think he had alot less respect than he should have for Mark and it showed.

[SPX]

Everyone says that it was obvious something was up at the beginning of the second round, but I didn't notice this. All I noticed was that Hominick was doing better.

Is it not possible that instead of Aldo underestimating Hominick and not performing to his ability . . . that the FANS underestimated Hominick and Hominick is just that good?

I mean, it's like if Aldo doesn't just crush someone then something was wrong with him. Like it's not possible that a fighter could be good enough to actually challenge him. To be honest, it sounds a lot like the "BJ wasn't motivated" talk.