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That sounds like the exact opposite of agreeing with him. . .
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Whoops. I misread what you wrote initially. Yeah I guess I totally disagree with him. The only "grappler first" fighter to look good against Anderson in the last six years has been Chael and only because he stuck to the gameplan and didn't try to fuck with Silva standing for any great length of time.
Palhares' takedowns just aren't good enough and his shot isn't quick enough to fuck with Anderson. He can't get inside to make it work because thats not how Silva plays the game, and if he can't get inside he won't snag anything but the mat after he's shucked off or totally avoided. In-between shots he gets lit up standing.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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I would take Palhares at +odds. Anderson has been heel hooked by lesser men. He has also been taken down by lesser men. Then again, I though Maia would be able to get him down easy.2012: +19.33
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Everytime I hear this argument I think about Maia being toyed with for three rounds, and Leites, and now Okami in this most recent fight. In order to implement that kind of gameplan on Anderson Silva nowadays you have to have well above average takedowns. Palhares doesn't have that.
Lutter only got his first takedown because Anderson jumped in with a knee to begin with, he was getting clowned in takedowns up until then. I wouldn't say he was close to finishing from mount. He threw 12 punches from mount and only landed about 7, I'd say at least half of those were grazing shots as well. Then he got reversed out of mount. He only ever got out of Silva's guard one time on three takedowns.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Palhares vs. Silva would be a replay of Maia vs. Silva, which was a replay of Leites vs. Silva.
Glad to see Breen coming around on Palhares, though. I think I remember him saying something to the effect that, "Palhares can never be a great mixed martial artist because his body shape is wrong," which I thought was totally ridiculous.Comment
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He didn't get reversed. He stupidly gave up mount to go for an armbar.
I am not saying anyone has done well against him, aside from Sonnen. What I am saying is that the grapple-centric challengers have generally fared better. Palhares has way better than average takedowns IMO. He has never failed to get the fight to the ground yet in any fight (that I can think of).2012: +19.33
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He didn't give up mount. He went for the arm as he was getting reversed because he couldn't hold the position and Anderson had his arms up to block punches and was totally sloppy.
Palhares absolutely does not have above average takedowns. He has an above average ability to bullrush other grapplers with his size and take advantage of slips but his takedowns aside from being purely strength based are not great. He's only landed about half the takedowns he's ever attempted in his career.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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I believe Anderson gave his arm on purpose to get out of that position.Comment
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so you think Lutter just spontaneously got reversed from mount by Anderson having his arms up? Maybe Silva gave up an arm hpoing Lutter would take it and timed the roll... but Lutter definitely opted out of mount. Also, Lutter took him down like 4 times. Lutter won the first round, and got a takedown to start the second.
So Palhares doesn't have abover average takedowns, he is just good at getting guys down... ok, good to know.2012: +19.33
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It was 3 times. I just watched the fight again before I made that post. And by the looks of it Lutter was already getting reversed and was looking to take something with him. He was already going backward by the time he grabbed that arm and thats part of why it didn't work. He was being forced backward instead of to one side and couldn't quite re-direct his body in time to pull it off all the way.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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It doesn't matter though, we are arguing about something that has no relevance. Anderson has clearly gotten better at stuffing takedowns. I don't think Plahares would beat him, I just think he has the best chance of any contender because of his ability to finish almost instantly.2012: +19.33
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What matters is Palhares doesn't have anywhere near the striking to set up his takedowns which is what he's going to need since he's not as explosive as someone like Chael and he's not as proficient at getting as someone like Okami. So since he can't strike with Anderson and won't be able to get inside to catch the shot in a situation where Anderson doesn't have time to dance out of it he's essentially dead in the water. Plus he gasses after two rounds so if it makes it that far he's getting knocked the fuck out.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Palhares has gotten everyone down he has fought. I would bet him vs Silva.Comment
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