UFC 117

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 117

^^ I doubt Hallman can submit Saunders. Hallman has been around grappling for a long time, but as far as I know, he never officially trained in bjj in the gi. It is like Hughes or Horn, neither of them have rank, but they both have high level skills in submission grappling and would beat most blackbelts. Hallman also has a wrestling base to go with his submission game. Saunders is more of a pure bjj player. As far as tall guys being easy to take down, tall does not necessarily mean easy to shoot on. Tall guys present their own takedown defense problems, I actually think tall guys are more difficult to take down. They are easier to get in on, but harder to lift and control IMO. They can also use their long limbs to control you in weird ways.

Still, I think Hallman can give Saunders problems on the mat. Swick was able to take down and control Saunders, so Hallman ought to be able to as well.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 117

^^ I doubt Hallman can submit Saunders. Hallman has been around grappling for a long time, but as far as I know, he never officially trained in bjj in the gi. It is like Hughes or Horn, neither of them have rank, but they both have high level skills in submission grappling and would beat most blackbelts. Hallman also has a wrestling base to go with his submission game. Saunders is more of a pure bjj player. As far as tall guys being easy to take down, tall does not necessarily mean easy to shoot on. Tall guys present their own takedown defense problems, I actually think tall guys are more difficult to take down. They are easier to get in on, but harder to lift and control IMO. They can also use their long limbs to control you in weird ways.

Still, I think Hallman can give Saunders problems on the mat. Swick was able to take down and control Saunders, so Hallman ought to be able to as well.

Okay something I dont get. You say you doubt hallman can submit saunders but you think he is like hughes and jeremy horn in that he can submit most black belts? Please explain.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 117

Okay something I dont get. You say you doubt hallman can submit saunders but you think he is like hughes and jeremy horn in that he can submit most black belts? Please explain.

Yeah, do tell, Scientist.

Weird post you made there.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 117

Okay something I dont get. You say you doubt hallman can submit saunders but you think he is like hughes and jeremy horn in that he can submit most black belts? Please explain.

Well to be fair, Saunders would probably do pretty well against your "average" blackbelt as well. I don't think Hughes would be able to SUBMIT even an average blackbelt in bjj, but I have no doubt that he could beat the vast majority of them in even a bjj competition. I don't thik Hallman would sub most bjj blackbelts either, but I think he would beat most of them. A lot of guys can adapt thier skills for MMA and grappling competition, like Hughes, or even Couture. Is Couture a balckbelt in bjj? no. But he would probably beat all but a handful. He would sub no one at the world level though. There is a big difference between using wrestling to outpoint a guy and submitting him.

The flip side of that is when they run into a superior wrestler, they are screwed. So even though Hughes might be able to outpoint Almeida without getting subbed, Almeida would do better against Koscheck IMO.

Basically, I am saying it is more about control.

Horn is sort of an exception, in that he has a more well rounded game. But I don't think Horn would do as well against bjj guys.

[Luke]

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wow just wow. I dont even know what to say .just watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8XhIDXuFQ

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ lol.

Sonnen is going to get his ass whipped so bad.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 117

wow just wow. I dont even know what to say .just watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8XhIDXuFQ

Ha ha, that's awesome!

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 117

^^ lol.

Sonnen (R-Or) is going to get his ass whipped so bad.

you think so? He might be able to control him.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 117

you think so? He might be able to control him.

Do you know what these are?

Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Armbar)
Submission (Armbar)
Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Heel Hook)

[SPX]

Re: UFC 117

Do you know what these are?

Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Armbar)
Submission (Armbar)
Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Submission (Triangle Choke)
Submission (Heel Hook)

I wouldn't be overwhelmingly surprised to see Sonnen get subbed, but I don't think you can argue that Sonnen just looks like a different fighter today than he did before his current reign of terror.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 117

Alot of people are acting like Anderson is some kind of uber submission god. He's not the second coming of Helio Gracie, guys. Dude only has ONE submission victory in his entire career. Could he submit Chael? Absolutely, Chael can be caught like any Wrestler who is that aggressive. Will he? It's definitely possible but I don't think it will be the way here.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 117

Chael is going to win. He's an amazing finisher.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 117

Chael is going to win. He's an amazing finisher.

[Svino]

Re: UFC 117

Chael is going to win. He's an amazing finisher.

Bah. Finishing is for dudes without the stamina to win a whole fight.

[sideloaded]

Re: UFC 117

Does anyone see value in Chael?