UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[SPX]

ok... i guess since a few guys have made karate basd styles work, that means anything is possible. I could make the same argument about chi balls or hadukens or disappearing and levitating ninjas or something. We will never see a wrist lock throw in mma, because it is bullshit... it doesn't work even on untrained people. Its not elitism, it is plain truth. There may be some elements or philosophies that can help someone who is already trained though... I think that is true of most martial arts. So it may be that Segal really did provide some sort of "be like water" type of philosophy that helps these guys but for actuall finer points of a technique or timing... no. Aikido is not even really a martial art, it is like tai chi or yoga to most of the practioners.

That said, I support Steven Segal and hope he continues to train fighters and get credit.

I typed up a long response to this yesterday, but it got wiped out by one of those goddamned database errors that frequently plagues this place. So let me try again.

As far as Aikido goes, I agree that a lot of it seems impractical. But I will also say that my knowledge of Aikido is pretty surface-level so I'd need to take some time to really see what all there is to it to know what might work and what won't. Don't cops use a lot of Aikido-esque stuff to control suspects?

The point about karate is the truth. Just a few years ago EVERYONE in the MMA community shit on karate and pretty much any other traditional martial art. Then along came Machida who used it to go all the way to the UFC championship. There's also Ryan Jimmo, who is now the MFC champ. And now Makdessi is on the scene. And that's not even to count GSP, who can train with Phil Nurse all he wants, but when you watch him fight it's obvious his striking base is something other than MT. But Kyokushin has always been looked at differently than Shotokan or similar variants.

Judo is similar. Before Karo you didn't really hear anyone talk about Judo in MMA. Then he came along, and then a few others, and now Judo is talked about frequently as a useful skill in the sport.

So what's next? I mean, I doubt we'll ever see an Aikido stylist who uses Aikido to go far in the UFC. Or tai chi or monkey kung fu or any other impractical style. But I could possibly see someone figuring out how to adapt wing chun for MMA. Or how about Hapkido? I could see one of these guys deciding to do MMA and cross-training accordingly:

[SPX]

What the fuck? How the fuck did the UFC have any copyright claim to that shit?

[MMA_scientist]

Video down already... that was quick.

[SPX]

[Ludo]

I don't think he intentionally did it. It doesn't seem like Shields' style to throw an intentionally illegal blow.

[Johnny Unreliable]

Yeah I remember thinking he was throwing a lot of open handed jabs. His hand never closes. Pretty clear eye poke but I doubt it was intentional. Shame, perhaps it could have been a better fight.

[SPX]

A lot of people are saying that Shields intentionally poked GSP in the eye.

Judge for yourself:

[poopoo333]

UFC 129 Results: Sickness Slowed Jose Aldo During His Bout Against Mark Hominick

[Vandelay]

ummmm thats cheick kongo in the video. no?

[Svino]

I could make the same argument about chi balls or hadukens or disappearing and levitating ninjas or something.

Next, I want to see an MMA camp say they are training with those "Combat Ki" guys.

[Svino]

No. What is that?

They reunited most of the Karate Kid cast for this one:

[MMA_scientist]

Seems I remember hearing the same thing about karate not too long ago.

ok... i guess since a few guys have made karate basd styles work, that means anything is possible. I could make the same argument about chi balls or hadukens or disappearing and levitating ninjas or something. We will never see a wrist lock throw in mma, because it is bullshit... it doesn't work even on untrained people. Its not elitism, it is plain truth. There may be some elements or philosophies that can help someone who is already trained though... I think that is true of most martial arts. So it may be that Segal really did provide some sort of "be like water" type of philosophy that helps these guys but for actuall finer points of a technique or timing... no. Aikido is not even really a martial art, it is like tai chi or yoga to most of the practioners.

That said, I support Steven Segal and hope he continues to train fighters and get credit.

[SPX]

[Aside: SPX, did you ever see the (several years old) No More Kings video for "Sweep the Leg"? I just had to ask.]

No. What is that?

[SPX]

I am sure is was a rough 6 weeks for him. I am open minded about martial arts, but Aikido (as we know it) is basically completely useless in mma.

Seems I remember hearing the same thing about karate not too long ago.

[Svino]

At first, I thought Silva giving a nod to Seagal was just showing respect to a celebrity who took the time to hang out and train with him. It's clearly more than that though. I wonder if Ed Soares is deliberately trying to get him involved with their camp for publicity.

I think there's only one way to find out how legit Seagal is -- make the long overdue fight: Steven Seagal vs. Jason DeLucia.

[Aside: SPX, did you ever see the (several years old) No More Kings video for "Sweep the Leg"? I just had to ask.]