UFC 131 JDS vs Carwin

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  • MMA_scientist
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 9857

    Barry is literally the worst grappler in the UFC IMO. Maybe he can avoid the takedown though, I don't think Kongo's wrestling is any better than Beltran's. I actually like Barry here tbh. Kongo is also a small HW, he may have trouble keeping him down.
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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      Originally posted by poopoo333
      I am very surprised at the Weidman line. I would be all over him @-220.
      Agreed. Need to look at it, but Weidman is probably my play here. He is a stud grappler and has the wrestling to get it there. Bongfelt's main bag is grappling. Bongfekt has the experience... but Weidman is just better IMO.
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      • poopoo333
        MMA *********
        • Jan 2010
        • 18302

        It would be nice if these Costa Rican fucks can put up the lines on bookmaker or 5 dimes

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        • SPX
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 23875

          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
          Barry is literally the worst grappler in the UFC IMO.
          Based on what? I want specifics, considering he's never really fought a grappler.
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          • MMA_scientist
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 9857

            Originally posted by SPX
            Based on what? I want specifics, considering he's never really fought a grappler.
            Based on getting submitted by 2 shitty grapplers in Hague and CroCop. If he is getting tapped by non-grapplers, I don't why he would do better against someone who can actually grapple. For god sakes, he tapped out to a "rear naked choke" from CroCop and CroCop did not even have 1 hook in... he just jumped up there and grabbed his neck. I mean, that's terrible. Also based on the grappling vid Poopoo posted of Barry looking horrible against fat amateurs in a local tourney... not even a regional tourney. It is embarrasing. You can say, well he is a striker. Fine, but I cannot think of a single UFC fighter, even some of the "pure grapplers" that would lose in a novice division in a local boxing or kickboxing tournament.
            2012: +19.33
            2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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            • poopoo333
              MMA *********
              • Jan 2010
              • 18302

              Pat Barry is a good striker and all too, but people act like he is some K1 phenomenon. He didn't do too great in K1 against (less than) mediocre competition. I like Pat Barry and would like to see him do well, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

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              • MMA_scientist
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 9857

                I said I thought Barry would win... but I need to look at the Beltran fight again. Does Barry shrug off the clinch? Kongo is going to clinch the shit out of him and he may gas Barry out. That said, Kongo is small, so I wouldn't be surprised if Barry gets right up even if he is taken down. He can give his back to Kongo with immunity since Kongo is not a submission threat. I really don't know how bog a role the takedown will be. I think the clinch is more of a factor.

                Kongo can win by fence pressing and the standup is probably pretty close. Barry has to keep his distance and out strike him. I am going to flip flop here and go with Kongo who has more outs. But I would not be surprised to see Barry kick Kongo's chicken legs out from underneath him and win. BUt then you have to factor in the standard point deduction for nut shots from Kongo too... tough fight to cap IMO.

                High5 says Kongo though... what do you know? YOu can't in in here and drop that nugget and leave no rationale. why is Kongo worth 10u?

                Damn, that is a hard fight to call.
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                • poopoo333
                  MMA *********
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 18302

                  Well, Kongo doesn't like to get hit at all imo. After the Mir fight, I don't even think he tried to strike with Buentello for a minute. In the Browne fight, he went straight into clinch mode for the rest of the fight. I actually really like Kongo to win this fight. I kind of this if Barry gets off first and hurts Kongo with some strikes, Kongo is going to fold and start aiming for the nuts. I do think Kongo will initiate the clinch a lot and try to drag it down to the ground. Barry will probably get tired by halfway through the 2nd if Kongo plans on fence fucking him.

                  Just an "out there" thought... I think the draw prop might be worth a real small bet. I can definitely see a tied round or a 10-8 round due to Kongo's love of kneeing people in the nuts, holding their shorts repeatably, etc.

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                  • SPX
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 23875

                    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                    Based on getting submitted by 2 shitty grapplers in Hague and CroCop. If he is getting tapped by non-grapplers, I don't why he would do better against someone who can actually grapple. For god sakes, he tapped out to a "rear naked choke" from CroCop and CroCop did not even have 1 hook in... he just jumped up there and grabbed his neck. I mean, that's terrible. Also based on the grappling vid Poopoo posted of Barry looking horrible against fat amateurs in a local tourney... not even a regional tourney. It is embarrasing. You can say, well he is a striker. Fine, but I cannot think of a single UFC fighter, even some of the "pure grapplers" that would lose in a novice division in a local boxing or kickboxing tournament.

                    Barry>Beltran>Rolles Gracie
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                    • MMA_scientist
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9857

                      Originally posted by SPX
                      Barry>Beltran>Rolles Gracie
                      Yeah but

                      Rolles > Peter Graham > Aleks Emelianenko > Kharitinov > Overeem > Todd Duffee > Tim Hague > Barry

                      so...

                      Also, I don't even like Rolles.

                      Also:

                      2012: +19.33
                      2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                      • SPX
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 23875

                        Don't provoke me.
                        I heart cock

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                        • poopoo333
                          MMA *********
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 18302

                          lmfao

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                          • Mr. IWS
                            215 Hustler
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 98682

                            Originally posted by SPX
                            Anyone else think the Mexecutioner might be a good play at +155?
                            Wait to see how many of us bet Rosa, then he should be a lock.
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                            • poopoo333
                              MMA *********
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 18302

                              4.8u on Weidman
                              2.25u on K Sos

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                              • Thewisemann
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 1989

                                I will probably be on K Sos, maybe Weidman.

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