Strikeforce Dallas June 18th

[poopoo333]

Ubereem's line is way too high. I will probably just put him in a parlay with Cormier and Griggs.

[flyinggogoplata]

I know one thing, Werdum handled Silva's big ass so Overeem's size wont be a huge factor.

[Luke]

Just watched Overeem/Werdum I. I am surprised Overeem was taking the fight to the mat. Do you guys think he will be avoiding that this time around? I am wondering if we will see Werdum trying to get the fight down..going to his back with his legs open and signaling Ubereem to come lay in between his legs while Ubereem just walks away.

you got a link to that fight?

[poopoo333]

Scroll up.

[Vandelay]

I know one thing, Werdum handled Silva's big ass so Overeem's size wont be a huge factor.

And by handled you mean survived and neutralized a gassed fighter?

[flyinggogoplata]

And by handled you mean survived and neutralized a gassed fighter?

you know what I mean.

[Vandelay]

He was beaten pretty badly in rd 1 almost got finished, rd 2 was close, and rd 3 werdum won. Big foot was never in trbl on the ground or at any point in the fight even tho he was gassed so im not sure what u mean. Now if you meant that Werdum wouldn't get abused on the ground...I dont think anyone would have argued that Overeem would just ragdoll him.

[flyinggogoplata]

He was beaten pretty badly in rd 1 almost got finished, rd 2 was close, and rd 3 werdum won. Big foot was never in trbl on the ground or at any point in the fight even tho he was gassed so im not sure what u mean. Now if you meant that Werdum wouldn't get abused on the ground...I dont think anyone would have argued that Overeem would just ragdoll him.

I thought Werdum handled the sheer size of Silva like no one before.

[poopoo333]

I really hope Ubereem wins. I don't want to see Werdum/Silva II. Ubereem/Bigfoot would be awesome.

[flyinggogoplata]

I was watching some Overeem training footage and he had a huge brace on his elbow.

[Thewisemann]

I say Reem 1st rd KO

[MMA_scientist]

I think Bigfoot is going to win the whole thing, regardless of who wins Overeem/Werdum. I would like to see Werdum beat Overeem, but he is going to have to pull something out... it is Overeem's fight to lose.

[MMA_scientist]

guess we can get to work on this card.

Alistair Overeem vs. Fabricio Werdum

Overeem is probably going to blast him on the feet, but I wouldn't sleep on Werdum. Werdum never gets any credit, despite being the only guy other than Fedor to remain in the top 10 over the "changing of the guard" period... say from around 2006 until now. Back then, it was all Arlovski, Sylvia, Noguiera, etc. It is all new guys now, except Werdum and Fedor. Werdum is big as hell and most likely he is going to be looking for a takedown right away this time. Still, you have to favor Overeem. It took Werdum a long time to submit him last time, and Overeem willingly spent most of the fight in his guard. This time Overeem is not going to go down willingly. Werdum has gotten better since then, but still. That said, I am banking on Overeem folding up mentally if he doesn't put it away fast and dirty.

Josh Barnett vs. Brett Rogers
Barnett should take him down and pound him out. Standing, I think Barnett still has a chance there too. The only issue is that Rogers comes out full blast, street brawl style. Anything can happen in the first 2 minutes... but depsite being a giant douche, Barnett is a damn fine fighter and I think he will win easily.

K.J. Noons vs. Jorge Masvidal
I got Noons doing the standard gameplan here, sprawl and brawl. I doubt Masvidal can get him down much. I really don't know much about Masvidal's striking level though... need input here.

Daniel Cormier vs. Jeff Monson
Everyone knows I think Cormier is a future champ. He is going to get a big test here though as Monson can box and grapple. Even though Monson is a former ADCC champ, he won't be able to beat Cormier on the mat IMO, unless he somehow gets on top of him. Monson basically won ADCC by takedowns and not getting subbed. He doesn't have any submissions wins over good grapplers (in MMA or ADCC)... he has to be on top to execute his game. I seriously doubt he can get on top of Cormier. He might be able to win it standing though if Cormier decides to keep it there, which he may do. I still think Cormier has more standing though.

Valentijn Overeem vs. Chad Griggs
Griggs wins on grit. Just like his bother, Val is frontrunner, he will fold up when he can't put Griggs away.

Gesias “JZ” Cavalcante vs. Justin Wilcox
Tough fight to call. Wilcox has looked great, but this is a big step up in competition. Wilcox is super strong and stocky wrestler. His hands are average IMO. JZ is decent wrestler with better submissions and slightly better hands. I am leaning JZ. Need input here too.

Conor Heun vs. Magno Almeida
Magno is supposed to be a hot prospect. BE had him on thier list of top prospects at LW. They are both bjj blackbelts, but Conor is also a D1 wrestler. I haven't seen Magno fight, so I need to look at this one more.




thoughts, breakdowns, opinions?

[flyinggogoplata]

If you take Werdum would it be straight up or by submission? I could really see him grabbing rounds 2 and 3 if it went the distance. I'm leaning Werdum straight up but will his line go higher then +300?

[SPX]

I think Masvidal/Noons has to do with which guy brings their A-game. The best Noons beats the best Masvidal, but the best Masvidal beats a Noons who's not trying is hardest. Masvidal's boxing is pretty damn solid, better than a lot of guys at LW. But of course Noons's is too.