Strikeforce Dallas June 18th

[Vandelay]

Interesting point with the frontrunner thing. I used to only think about BJ as a frontrunner, but OVereem may be one as well. He's only got one decision win in his career. He did beat spong by decision in K1 recently so maybe his mindset has changed.

[poopoo333]

Here is the vid sideloaded keeps talking about:

[flyinggogoplata]

Fighting mostly in japan in a ring, focusing on k-1, training with golden glory, and spending some time of your training camp in Thailand is not going to sharpen your wrestling.

If you say Werdum's wrestling sucks that's fine, but at least he's training in America and working on his wrestling everyday.

[Vandelay]

Here is the vid sideloaded keeps talking about:

He locked that up while hunt was in side control. Thats pathetic.

[edman5555]

I have no idea who wins werdum/overeem. I guess I favor Overeem but it is correct that he really hasn't beaten anyone good recently. Even his K1 grand prix win isn't quite as impressive as it sounds. He didn't have to fight Semmy Schilt, the champ. Then he got to fight the guy that had just spent 15 minutes getting his ass kicked by Semmy Schilt. That is a pretty good deal IMO. He could of had to fight Semmy for 15 minutes, a fight he could have lost. Then he would have to go in and fight a fresh Peter Aerts. I'm not saying he isn't good, he obv is but I feel like he gets a lot of hype because of the K1 win. Some of it isn't deserved due to that reason.

Also, he has been fighting cans. We all know that. When he wasn't fighting cans in mma, he was getting his ass kicked. He is bigger now, but he is in a bigger weight class.

He did throw Brett Rogers around like he was a small child. That is true, but Brett Rogers doesn't really have any special skill if you ask me. He is no great wrestler, bjj player, judo player, or striker. He is basically a brawler that got lucky and ko'd arlovski, and caught a much much smaller Fedor with a jab (He cut his face and got some cred for that). Rogers is basically a mediocre fighter and that is being nice. Not to mention he is tailor made for Overeem to beat. Brawler Vs K1 striker? Not even fair if you ask me. Rogers looked scared shitless in the fight.

Werdum isn't that bad standing anymore and he has already beaten overeem. Since then, Werdum has improved and I am sure Reem has too.

Either way the line is way off. Reem shouldn't be favored this much. He just is because of his K1 win(good match ups), his unbeaten streak ( good match ups of cans and can strikers), and his muscle gain/ubereem PR campaign.

I guess the most sensible thing is Werdum at the lines. I probably won't bet it, maybe 1u.

I do acknowledge that Overeem might walk out there and just straight KO werdum.

[flyinggogoplata]

http://mmaweekly.com/the-big-payback-alistair-overeem-predicts-a-much-different-fight-with-werdum-this-time

Looks like Overeem is going to balls to the wall in this fight. If he doesn't get the ko quick seems like he has no back up plan.

[sbjj]

http://mmaweekly.com/the-big-payback...rdum-this-time

Looks like Overeem is going to balls to the wall in this fight. If he doesn't get the ko quick seems like he has no back up plan.

With all due respect, I think you are reaching. I could probably dig up an article where Werdum says he thinks he can hang with Overeem on the feet...BUT, does that mean he will make it a kickboxing contest?

Overeem obviously tries to KO his opponents...It does not mean he will go ape shit right from the start.

[flyinggogoplata]

With all due respect, I think you are reaching. I could probably dig up an article where Werdum says he thinks he can hang with Overeem on the feet...BUT, does that mean he will make it a kickboxing contest?

Overeem obviously tries to KO his opponents...It does not mean he will go ape shit right from the start.

yeah he might be just hyping the fight.

[flyinggogoplata]

It's kind of cool that werdum is the lineal HW champ and this fight will unify the dream and strikeforce belts with the lineal belts that Werdum took from fedor (pride,ufc,Rings). This fight is truly epic.


Mark Coleman beat Daniel Severn wins first UFC heavyweight champion
02/07/1997 UFC 12: Judgement Day Submission 2:57 of Round 1

Maurice Smith beat Mark Coleman
07/27/1997 UFC 14: Showdown Decision Unanimous Decision

Randy Couture beat Maurice Smith
12/21/1997 UFC: Ultimate Japan 1 Decision Majority Decision

Enson Inoue beat Randy Couture
10/25/1998 Loss Vale Tudo Japan 98 Submission Arm Bar 1:39 Round 1

Mark Kerr beat Enson Inoue
01/30/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Opening Round Decision

Kazuyuki Fujita beat Mark Kerr, shortest running linear champion (part of an evening)
05/01/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Final Round Decision Unanimous Decision

Mark Coleman beat Kazuyuki Fujita by forfeit, becoming the only two-time linear champion
05/01/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Final Round TKO/RSC Corner Threw in the Towel due to a Knee Injury

Antonio Nogueira beat Mark Coleman, enjoys second longest run as linear champion
09/24/2001 Pride 16: Beasts From The East Submission Arm Bar 6:10 of Round 1

Fedor Emelianenko beat Antonio Nogueira, longest running linear champion
12/31/2004 Pride: Shock Wave 2004 Decision Unanimous Decision

Fabricio Werdum beat Fedor Emelianenko
06/26/2010 Strikeforce: Insider Submission Arm Triangle Choke 1:09 Round 1

[Thewisemann]

I have Overeem 3.22u to win 1.5u. Got him at -215 and i love that line. I may parlay Barnett and Cormier.

[MMA_scientist]

Overeem doesn't suck on the ground. Don't forget that he has 19 wins by submission to only 14 by (t)ko. Like I mentioned, Werdum had him right where he wanted for most of the fight in the 1st matchup, and he couldn't do anything with it for like 12 minutes.

For me, the possibility that Werdum takes him down coupled with the possibility that Overeem folds (or loses a point for nutshots or kneeing him while down)... I have to bet Werdum. Overeem will probably be a little wary about charging forward too, which may take some of the stank off his strikes. But I don't pretend that Overeem doesn't have the skills to win or that Werdum should be favored. Everything points to Overeem, but I still think Werdum has a great chance based on survival skills. Once that initial round is over, I think we could see some takedowns and Werdum's hand being raised.

[MMA_scientist]

I'm surprised you guys think monson has good striking. I dont think he's ever knocked any1 out standing, he's got short arms, telegraphs everything, is slow, and only uses his hands. His best punch is probably his left hook and thats not great either. Cormier picks him apart standing in my mind and I doubt monson can take him down. I think the line will open around Cormier -300, if not higher.

I am not saying he has good hands... but they aren't horrible. He went like 6-0 as a pro boxer. But I am just saying, he is probably at least as godo as Cormier there. Cormier mixes it up better though IMO.

Also, watch Monson vs. Roy Nelson: http://vodpod.com/watch/1452837-marc...-vs-roy-nelson

Monson doesn't have shit off his back. He did well standing with Roy though... not really sure how he got the decision in that, Roy clearly won IMO.

[sbjj]

One of the worst decisions. And yes, I was surprised how flat Jeff was on his back. I think Daniel would be smart to just put Monson on his back.

[flyinggogoplata]

whats up with this card less than a week out and only odds on two fights? the fuck?

[flyinggogoplata]

here is the video I saw with something going on with Alistair's elbow.

I watched a few of the reem series, Im a fan.